Talk:Scampi

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The open sentence "Scampi is a culinary preparation of Nephrops norvegicus" reinforces the US perception that 'Scampi' is a recipe for shrimp as opposed to a specific species of crustacean. I'd like to see something to the effect that "Scampi" is the Italian word for Nephrops norvegicus, and that it grows in the Adriatic as well as the North Atlantic. JoeSmoker (talk) 04:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Contents of scampi in the UK

I amended the article to reflect the fact that quite often if you ordered scampi in the UK, you will get prawn (or reformed prawns) in batter or breadcrumbs and not necessarily lobster tail. However, this was reverted. I do not wish to get into an edit war so I won't put it back again. But surely the article should reflect the truth? And that is if you order scampi in the UK, you might often get prawn as the filling. IndieSinger (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I reverted it because scampi in the UK has a legal definition. If you are served it made from prawns, you should contact trading standards Thedarxide (talk) 17:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Eh? I was under the impression Langoustine tails were the meaty bit of scampi? Heck, the Langoustine article says so... bit inconsistent isn't it? 86.152.118.255 (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Langoustine is another name for the same type of lobster. It's correct Thedarxide (talk) 19:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

This website:

http://www.whitby-seafoods.com/

says that scampi is langoustine, and says that this is another name for Dublin Bay Prawns. I meant to leave message here, but I accidentally left it as [[Scampi (disambiguation)}}. It is certainly prawns in my country. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Somebody really needs to do some research into this, scampi as a pub food/fast food in the UK is not equivalent to scampi anywhere else. As stated above, order scampi in a pub and you get reconstituted fish balls in batter. In restaurants you can often find the genuine article, but this is uncommon. The name of the dish is tainted by association with the fast food variety. It might well be that it is made with langoustines, since an awful lot of those are fished in the UK (Scotland) However, the UK has a poor domestic market for its own langoustines and "scampi", if made from langoustines at all, is likely made with stock deemed unfit for export to France, Spain or other places where they actually value our natural produce. Goffmog (talk) 18:19, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Scampi and Norway lobster

I had thought about merging the two articles, but decided against it, instead keeping the 'Norway lobster' article focused on the creature itself, while the 'Scampi' article describes the dish (covering both the original dish of Norway lobster and its variants using different lobsters, or shrimp). Hope this is a satisfying arrangement! --Spudtater 11:10, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Scampi -Tummy??? Can we have a reference Please.

Pub Food

Should it be mentioned that it is a very common dish in most English Public Houses? seeing as how this page refers to the meal itself. TheTrojanHought (talk) 19:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes it should, but people are hung up on this supposed definition of scampi by UK authorities. Yes our cuisine has an undeservedly poor reputation internationally but there are times when we should own up to having got it very, very, wrong. Goffmog (talk) 18:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

The picture illustrating this dish is the most depressing plate of food I have ever seen in my life. Surely a better picture than this could be found?88.109.82.140 (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Origin of the word

could be useful to remember that the word "Scampo" comes from the Venetian language (Italy) and it means "curved animal"? references:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_language
• http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scampo

--Cooked (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

"Scampi" in the US

There's an implication here that "scampi" is used as a synonym for "shrimp" in Italian-American situations; realistically, its simpler than this: theres a single dish often found in the US called "Shrimp Scampi". I'd strongly argue that "scampi" in a US-context means "broiled in a dish with butter and herbs". "Scampi" would never be used without a qualifier, and while you occasionally see "Lobster Scampi", in most cases its simply "Shrimp Scampi". Any reason to clarify, or am I just overthinking it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.56.24 (talk) 08:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree that in the US, the usage of the word is as a recipe for shrimp. I think we should be diligent in using the word only to identify the species. Inconsistency in this regard would tend to perpetuate the American misconception. (As an aside, I have lived both on the Adriatic coast of Italy, where we enjoyed fresh Scampi every Saturday, and in San Francisco, where in the '70s and '80s one could find actual Scampi at one or two restaurants. 30 years later, I don't know of anywhere in San Francisco that still serves them.) JoeSmoker (talk) 04:31, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

POV

The article are in total lack of the environmental impacts of scampi farming, such as the death of coral reefs, the destruction of mangrove forests and the ruthless fishing. Social impacts are also missing (and the political corruption). Instead the article reflects the scampi consumption in a positive manner. Dnm (talk) 22:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

If this is such an issue, then why not add a sentence or two with relevant references? Warren (talk) 23:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I will add more then one or two sentences, but at the moment i do not have the time. I will look into it as soon as possible, if no one else does it before me. The POV-template where removed due to a misstake so i reversed the edit. Regards, Dnm (talk) 22:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

1. The POV template is not appropriate for a simple omission of some information.
2. If there were an issue around farming of Nephrops norvegicus, it would belong in the Fisheries section of the Nephrops norvegicus article. But apparently Nephrops norvegicus is not currently farmed (cf. Emi Katoh, "Culturing of Norway lobster").
3. I suspect you are referring to the farming of Macrobrachium rosenbergii, which is known as '(freshwater) scampi' in South Asia; that would be the appropriate article to add information about sustainable Macrobrachium rosenbergii farming (cf. BMPs for Sustainable Scampi Farming)

So I am removing the POV template.

Best --Macrakis (talk) 23:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but i cant see why your standpoints makes the article POV-problem less of a POV-problem. So i put the tamplate back again. Lets work this out and together develop the article. Todays article is really sad if you look at the consequences which are not even mentioned in the article.

Maybe the article your are pointing at is the one to label. Im just looking at my home-wiki-structure and maybe it wont work here. However, the environmental impacts should be mention here as well.

I must add another thing. The problems im refering to does not only have relevance for the freshwater scampi-production. Dnm (talk) 23:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you point to a single reliable source that mentions the environmental impacts of farming Nephrops norvegicus, the topic of this article? I cannot find any evidence that that species is farmed at all. --Macrakis (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Please take a look at Freshwater prawn farm -- that may be the appropriate article. --Macrakis (talk) 23:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Google translate from Swedish Wikipedia

This is what swedish Wikipedia has about Scampi (swedish: Jätteräka, other names: Scampi / tigerräka. Räka translated to english is shrimp, thats why the translation says shrimp everywhere). The translation below is a sad one, but i think you will get the picture anyway. Perhaps the text below can help you to help me. :) Dnm (talk) 23:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Environmental Effects

Large scale production of prawns can be done either by sea fishing or shrimp. Shrimp farms often built in mangrove areas, but more recently has also pure agricultural land started to be used. All of these production methods are associated with significant environmental impact.

Sea fishing

At sea fishing applied bottom trawling. Then the king prawns a very small part, about 5-6% of all fish and shellfish that the beam takes up. The rest is discarded again, but will survive under normal conditions. Beam river also cut vegetation on the ocean floor, destroying coral reefs. Overall, the bottom-trawling in numerous fish and other seafood are killed, and that marine habitats are destroyed.

An alternative is to fish with nets hanging freely in the water which thus does not damage floors. Fishing for prawns in this way is certified by the Friends of the Sea.

Production of shrimp fry

Production of shrimp fry can be done in three ways: The capture of wild shrimp fry. By-catch is huge, just one in a thousand seafood fry is a fry jätteräk.

The capture of wild females with eggs. That such a female is worth USD 50-100 shows how rare they are and the enormous catches the cause. To get the female to release her eggs, crushes it one of her eyes, which also has been criticized for cruelty to animals.

Rearing of larvae in captivity. So far it has not managed to breed prawns in captivity more than a single generation. The breeding is thus dependent on the constant supply of new, wild shrimp.

Shrimp farming

For shrimp larvae required. Production of räkyngel is a chapter with a large environmental impact, see above. It also includes various toxic drugs and antibiotics to maintain the concentrated populations that ponds contain. It has happened that shrimp imported to Sweden contained antibiotics can cause aplastic anemia, a life-threatening bone marrow disease. However, is the biggest problem with antibiotics is likely to be found in emissions from dams. The effects of these emissions on marine life and fish fit for human consumption is still relatively poorly studied. After 5-7 years you can not keep diseases rod in the ponds without shrimp farms to be abandoned and new land cleared. Areas that previously provided a lasting bioproduction is thereby destroyed. This makes intensive shrimp farming to a largely unsustainable production mode. Depending on whether the farms be located in mangrove forests or croplands, various additional impact on the environment, see below.

Shrimp farming in mangrove forest

In shrimp farming in mangrove forests felled trees to make way for farming ponds. It is the main reason that over 50% of the world mangrove stands have disappeared. For Southeast Asia and the Caribbean is the loss 70-80%. Mangrove forests are disappearing at an even faster rate than the Earth's rainforests. The loss of mangroves has several implications: Mangroves are an important nursery for marine life. As forests are cut down, deteriorating fisheries, both in the forest and the sea beyond.

Mangroves filter and bind sediment from rivers. Without the forest continues sludge out to the coral reefs as clogging and die. This, too, degrades fishing.

Mangroves protect against vågerosion and flooding. Without the forest gives a much larger tsunami damage, and the coastal agriculture is exposed to more salt from the sea.

Mangrove produces hard and termitsäkert timber and firewood as fuel. Without the forest will disappear this resource for local people.

Shrimp farming on agricultural land

In shrimp farming on agricultural land is arable land on the ponds. Since prawns require salt water, the soil becomes too salty to resume thereafter be used for cultivation.

Social Impact

Shrimp farming is commercially attractive for companies that can invest and engage in an activity for a few years in one place without having to take any responsibility for long-term effects. For long-term effects include degraded land, degraded fish in the sea, erosion and flood damage along the coasts and reduced availability for the local population to the coastal area and its resources. A calculation on a number of studied shrimp farms in Sri Lanka showed that the sales in Sweden should have been there five times in order to meet local people and environmental sacrifices for production, and it was still not the cost of transportation, marketing and sales included. That means in a wider perspective to the rich world, in this case Swedish consumers, wins and Sri Lanka, losing heavily in their räkexport in an almost colonial balance of power.

The poor locals are normally not have the resources to set up their own plantations. Some may find jobs in plantations in its neighborhood, but the salary seems to be generally very low. It is not even certain that they offered a few jobs. For more intensive cultivation retrieved most of the workforce from more distant areas, while local residents at most offered low paying and unskilled. Coastal farmers may face persuasion, threats and beatings to transfer their land to räkodlare. In Bangladesh, reported that räkbolagen used firearms and grenades to force into the ground and that they have the tacit support among policy makers. A few räkföretagare can get rich on the business, while the poor coastal population will lose land, fisheries and forestry for a long time to come.

A strong driving force is demand from the rich världen.Styrkan in this momentum lies in prawns is delicious, exotic, popular, and that public awareness about the negative effects and the ability to evaluate them is quite small.

First of all, dumping in a large chunk of machine-translated text into a talk page is not very helpful. I would normally remove it and replace it with this translation link, but don't want to antagonize you.

Secondly, that is not the current text of the Swedish Wikipedia article.

Third, the article sv:Jätteräkor is about Penaeus monodon, the giant tiger prawn, a completely different species, and shouldn't be linked from Scampi (I am removing the link). --Macrakis (talk) 05:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

1: Sorry for posting the text above, but i did not know of the translation link-thing. A link would have been better!

2: It was the current text of the Swedish Wikipedia article, until IP: 83.227.18.76 deleted the text (30 december 2011 kl. 02.10‎). The anonymous user has been criticized, and the edit reverted.

3: Good. Then its fixed. Regards, Dnm (talk) 17:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Merge or distinguish?: Scampi and Nephrops norvegicus

The current scampi article is veering towards the POV that scampi = Nephrops norvegicus. Of course we all know that that is the normal meaning in Italian and the statutory meaning in the UK. If this article is primarily about N. norvegicus, then we should just merge the two articles and leave a section talking about the loose use of the name for certain dishes. The other possibility is to make the scampi article about the dishes ("shrimp scampi", etc.) and keep a separate N. norvegicus article. But the current state of the article is a mess. --Macrakis (talk) 20:47, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

We probably need an article for scampi (cuisine) and a separate one for the species itself. Goffmog (talk) 18:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Is this article about the dish scampi or the animal scampi? Omniscientmoose42 (talk) 13:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)