Talk:Dude

Dudette

dudeette means that a guy mentaly in love with his butt Ir is my belief that dudette is a dying or dead term.Dude is more commonly used as a unisex term.I am editing the page to reflect that.Atleast partially.Zombie Assassin (talk) 18:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

You need to provide a source for that please. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 18:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

bob

This article has apparently been vandalized, hence the totallydisputed tag.

Vandalism removed. Next time you see vandalism revert it. See WP:REVERT. --Hdt83 ^Chat 04:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Origin

Duuuuuuuuuude -o-

Does anyone have a reference for 'dude' being an alteration of 'doodle' from 'Yankee Doodle'? This certainly sounds plausible to me, but both dictionaries I have checked claim unknown origin. Also, any insight into how the 'dude' of 'dude ranch' in the early century became the 'dude' or 'surfer dude' in the 60's would be greatly appreciated. Did 'dude' ever make an appearance in 'ebonics' (afro-amer. english)? Also, a dudett is a hair on the elphants butt.

Though the definitive origin of "dude" is unknown, one popular theory suggests that it was a combination of "duds"; another word for the attire of these early hipsters, and "attitude"; their disposition to go along with the clothes. "Duds" -> "'tude" -> "dude" I haven't deleted this, but 'tude derives as pop slang from attitude in its late 1970s meaning. This is a fantasy invention of very recent coinage. Could it be removed or take a less prominent position? But if "tude" is a familiar and obvious coinage from "attitude," why is "dude" from the macaronic "Doodle" only plausible? Wetman 09:19, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Am I the only one who think the 'metrosexual' reference is completely spurious? It is not the same thing, and seem out of place. The Trolls of Navarone 19:33, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The new word metrosexual seems to be exactly what the word dude meant before it took on its current, rather new (later than 1960, probably) colloquial meaning. I was surprised at how this article began before I edited it a few minutes ago; it's as if it was written by people who only grudgingly admit that the word existed before it took on its new meaning. Michael Hardy 22:07, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Wetman on Revision as of 01:14, 19 Jan 2005 while making some really excellent formatting, grammatic, and phrasing changes also added the unsupported assertion that "all connotations of dude as used on Wayne's World The dude is male. Even its current usage, it has not crossed the gender barrier". This is factually incorrect, unsupported by any documentation or references, and completely ignoring mainstream usage. I updated the page, creating a new section called "Crossing the Gender Barrier", which discusses and documents--with references--the way the word dude has evolved to apply across gender. Madcowan 20:58, 7 April 2005 (UTC)

I heard that it's somehow related to word that means horse's hair.

I read in the HIGH SCHOOL DICTIONARY that the word dude means- a hair on an elaphant's butt! and Duddett means- a hair on a Zebra's butt! -JeCa- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.52.74.128 (talk) 22:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The Endless Summer

The endless summer features the year long globe-hopping surf trip of Robert August and Michael Henson. It features the music of The Sandals not The Beach Boys.

The confusion must be over The Beach Boys album entitled "Endless Summer".

A Riff on

Don't the various uses of "dude" here apply to any noun or pronoun referring to a specific person? (e.g. "John?", "sir!")

Dude? Naw, dude. I mean, dude. In all seriousness, "Dude" can be used in ways that similar words like "Sir" cannot. There are a whole host of meanings that the word "dude" can take on, especially in California English, that are fully codified by inflection and body language, even if the specifics aren't fully spelled out anywhere. For example, "Dude! That was awesome!" can be rewritten as "All right! That was awesome!" but not as "Sir! That was awesome!" At the same time, "Excuse me, sir," can also be expressed as "Sorry, dude," or even "Dude," but not as "Excuse me, all right." So, although body language can change the meaning of a word considerably, "dude" is among the most flexibly usable of them. InVinoVeritas 08:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandal!

IP: 70.88.99.245 edited "DUDE ALSO REFERS TO THE HAIR ON A MALE ELEPHANTS TESTICLES" into the Dude article and "BUY IT AT IVERSON'S LUMBER IN MILFORD, MI WE'LL BEAT YOUR BEST PRICE" into Weatherbest. --Head of the Caligula Appreciation Society 02:44, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation

I'm french and never heard anyone saying it so I asked a few of my american friends online how to pronounce it, and they say they never heard it being pronounced as "dyood", only "dood", someone told me that in california it's pronounced "dyood", so, could this article tell about the different pronounciation and what kinda of people say what, cuz i'm confused? --SuperBleda 03:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

"dyood" is more of a surfer/skater accent, and it depends on where you are. This pronunciation is used particularly on the coast of California, where surfer communities are common. --Colorless Green Ideas 21:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd say that the Californian "dyood" is more of a stressed "dəd" than a proper "dyood". (Note that the Californian stressed schwa is not the same sound as the short u of "dud." Compare the Californian "kewl," which is more of a "cuall" than a "kyool.") --InVinoVeritas 08:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Does the following text really belong in the article? I would like to remove it, as it is kind of vague, and doesn't even really refer to the preceding content.

"The latter is generally a non-specific exclamation which can be directed at, but not precisely applied to any certain person. The former is rarely applied to a woman; in fact doing so is sometimes a derogatory expression of a woman's over-masculinity ("she's quite a dude")."

--Colorless Green Ideas 21:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Dude-also pronounced "diyuud" by the pipsqueak people who just say it for lack of a better word. --Da.Tomato.Dude 14:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

dude

i also heard somewhere that dude also is the infected hair on an elephants butt

i dunno about this, but can someone check?MichaelHa 02:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I've heard this before as well (and once of 'dudette' that it's a rhino's butt), but looking around, I can find no real source. My best guess is that it's some dumb thing someone made up. (Another, thing I've heard is that he western term 'dude' comes from the meaning 'pimple on one's ass' (E2 writeup) but I can't find a secondary source for this either.) -- General Wesc 14:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I've heard the same. Mostly from middle schoolers who like to show off a piece of little known "knowledge" a teacher passed on to them. I havn't found any reference either. I did find this little gem : "The word "moron" is the name for people who believe that the word "dude" is the name for an infected elephant butt hair." [1] PrometheusX303 00:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

This is not an infected hair. It is a regular hair on an elephants butt - in the Bangladesh language. Not english, nooooo. So I dont think that you should be worried about this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da.Tomato.Dude (talk • contribs) 01:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Actually, I beg to differ, while skimming through and OLD dictionary I found the word dude. The definition was the following :

"1. A hair on and elephants upper thigh 2. A slang term for a man or young adult male"

- Josie Snicket —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josie Snicket (talk • contribs) 22:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Frazer Smith

Frazer Smith, a Los Angeles based radio shock jock, when he is in the guise of his heavy metal alter ego, Barry Metalow(sp?) (a take-off on the name Barry Manilow), often uses the terms "Dude", "Hey, Dude", and "Oh, Dude" (with great comic effect). He has done this since the early 1980s. Perhaps some citations on this could be found and Smith could be added to the main article.

69.39.172.52 20:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Dude, Where's My Car?, features Ashton Kutcher and Seann William Scott, as two sweet dudes who lose their car.

Can "two sweet dudes" be changed into something less immature like "two young friends" or "two male friends" or "two men in their early 20s"? VarunRajendran

Could someone clarify in parentheses or round brackets or something what each use of "dude" means in the argument, maybe cite which usage from the list.

bizznot

Hmm....my guesses are here.

Dude (exclamitory)- in surprise, as in "Ohmigosh" in a dude way.\

Dude (duuuuuuude)- in gratefulness or thanks

Dude (casually) - used when you dont know the name of someone.

Da.Tomato.Dude

Dude

Would it be biased for a female dude (such as muah)to say dude? Or is this "dude" thing turning into a teen/boy thing where it is only used to state dude-ness of the dudenicity? (hope you could follow that) --Da.Tomato.Dude 14:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Dude Myth

For many years I have heard people claiming that the real meaning of dude is: a camels penis. Does anybody know where this came from? Was there a dictionary somewhere that published this meaning? Has anybody else come across a similar definition?

Yes, I have one similar to that. A dude is an infected hair on an elephant's butt. I think both are urban myths and probably the result of Male Answer Syndrome. Oh, by the way, sign with four tildes. Pteren 22:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Black or Surfer?

At the bottom of the introductory section, it says the term is from the black community. Then in the Origin section, it mentions exclusively about the surfer culture. That is confusing. Can someone clarify the inconsistency? Kowloonese 21:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Surfers typically don't identify with the term. Although it's use in early times may be linked to the tv show Howdie Doodie, whence from an old surfer term came, Cowabunga.

Windsurfing move, Canada

• 2007 - Ultra popular term for males in many Canadian cities, especially in Mississaugaalso a move on a wind board were the rider lets go of the kite, backflips while droping 3ft through the air, to come back up and grab the kite then return to the floor.

Removed this line as the first point seems unrelated to the listed date. References to international spread, as well as the second point about windsurfing, deserve expansion. Relaxing 14:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

rhetorical questions

I hate to say it but are the rhetorical questions at the end of "origins" really necessary? Doobuzz 16:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Uh, Dude...

Maybe it's me, but I think the word 'Dude' has recently achieved some degree of commonality in ordinary discourse amongst non-valspeak people, perhaps most noticeably in business or work contexts--I also live in the San Francisco Bay Area, so maybe it's a local phenomenon. The term is being used in 2 distinct ways: either as 1) a way to tease or gently rib colleagues when they make a gaffe or are caught in a humorous, compromising position and the "truth" must be told to anyone within earshot (Dude, I think you put too much coffee in the coffeemaker), or 2) to express mocking disapproval of a colleague's performance behind his back ("You know, I wanted to tell so-and-so [e.g., boss, co-worker, etc.] 'Uh Dude, we need you to just answer the question (or do your job...)' ".

Anyone agree?

The original meaning of this word can be traced to American English - there is no derivitive from another language, nor does it exist in any other language. The first definition published was 'a man excessively concerned with his clothes, grooming and manners'...similiar to a 'dandy' or current 'metrosexual' term today. Dude first appeared in print in 1878. The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang cites an 1877 reference in a letter--not published, however, until 1988--from the painter and sculptor Frederick Remington: "Don't send me any more drawings of women or any more dudes." In June of 1883 the popularity was noted by Massachusetts’ North Adams Transcript: "The new coined word 'dude'...has travelled over the country with a great deal of rapidity since but two months ago it grew into general use in New York." By 1885, it had established a strong enough foothold to appear in Ulysses S. Grant's Personal Memoirs: "Before the car I was in had started, a dapper little fellow--he would be called a dude at this day--stepped in."

The meaning of dude evolved to 'a male person' and has been in wide use since the 1960's. This is from a 1968 book called College Drug Scene: "And I got into symbolic logic and semantics with a cat who had studied with Korzybski and electronics from a dude who had an Associate of Arts degree in anthropology from 1941." The use of dude in direct address to a male began much earlier. This is from a 1945 book called Silversides: "Hey, dude, there's a ship out here!"

Quidam9989 03:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Oscar Wilde

I heard on Steve Wright's Factoids that dude was coined by Oscar Wilde. I haven't found anything about this on his page though. Could anyone offer an explanation? Also, I have often heard the word dude used as slang for semen. ~~Lazyguythewerewolf Rawr. 18:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Mark Twain

Seth Lerer on Radio Times was talking about how Mark Twain helped to coin (or ensconce in the language) dude and hello. podcast gren グレン 19:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Dude - more on the surfing connection

The use of the word "dude" in connection to surfers appears to begin much earlier than the 1960's. The word was known in Hawaii by 1911, just after George Freeth Jr. revived surfing (1900) from extinction.

I recommend reading Dr. Arthur C. Verge's article on Freeth entitled George Freeth: King of the Surfers and California’s Forgotten Hero. The article was published in the magazine California History (Summer-Fall 2001) by the California Historical Society. According to Verge's article, one of George Freeth's closest friends was Edward Kaleleihealani "Dude" Miller (both, by the way, were friends with Duke Kahanamoku). So if the word was in use in 1911, then it is possible that it was known a few years earlier.

If the original use of the word "dude" meant a city person who was ignorant of the country, then one can only theorise that perhaps Edward Miller lived in Honolulu (the city) and came down to Waikiki/Kuhio (away from the city) to surf with his friends. In his article, Verge mentions that Edward became the first "commodore" of the new Hui Nalu ("Club of the Waves") in 1911. So I feel it's reasonable to suggest that the word "dude" received its surfing connection sometime between 1900 and 1911. --Rupertsland 03:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Dude Ranches

Could this word have come from the "Dude Ranches" where ranch hands go to take care of horses? --71.107.217.63 23:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought "dude" could also refer to a cowboy, specifically one working as a ranch hand? I'm not sure where I got this impression, but I seem to recall some references in the book Desert Solitude (by Edward Abbey). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.150.253.55 (talk) 02:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Not only young people say it, I think "The Big Lebowski" would be a perfect example of that. |- ! header 1 ! header 2 ! header 3 |- | row 1, cell 1 | row 1, cell 2 | row 1, cell 3 |- | row 2, cell 1 | row 2, cell 2 | row 2, cell 3 |}

Dude german dialect for "fool" ???

I would like to know where Oxford dic. get that information. I've never heard the word dude or something similar here in Germany.

as long as oxford just says "ORIGIN probably from German dialect Dude ‘fool’." and don't tells us which dialect this should be or how it would be spelled in german, this entry should be deleted if anybody knows more about it I would be interested to get more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.78.20.66 (talk) 21:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

There's a German word "Dödel" which can refer to either the male member or a stupid male (~dope or klutz or maybe muppet).91.89.192.169 (talk) 12:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect

I'm redirecting to dandy which seems to cover the topic best. Note that Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Details of word usage and etymology belong on Wiktionary. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I've undone that redirect. A Dude is not the same thing as a Dandy and there doesn't seem to be a consensus to support this redirect. At best I think you could put a {{mergeto}} tag on this page and see where the discussion went. I for one would oppose such a merge unless convincing arguments based on reliable sources are put forward. Gwernol 10:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Note that the first two sections of dandy cover word usage and etymology. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 12:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The reliable source is the citation that I have just added to the dandy article. The current state of the dude article does not support its separate existence as it is too much of a dicdef. It might be turned into a disambiguation page as another option - seprating the dandy usage and the modern slang usage as guy/chap/mate. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Diamabig seems to be the way to go - please see guy for an example. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The 1982 New Collins Concise English Dictionary gives "Dude" and "Dandy" as separate words with distinct meanings and usages. While I agree that in the 19th. century the usages of the words were similar, its clear that "dude" has become a very different word, particularly from the 1960s onwards. There would never be a film called "Dandy, where's my car?" for good reason. The modern slang usage is distinct and widely used - enough to support a separate article. Gwernol 11:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see The differences between encyclopedia and dictionary articles which this current article clearly fails. The article is currently all about word usage and this content does not belong here. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

While I certainly wouldn't argue that the current article is good, the question is not about the current state of the article, but whether a valid encyclopedia article could be written about the subject. The term dude clearly refers to a different set of people than the term dandy. The article should be about dudes - per WP:DICT: "Articles are about the people, concepts, places, events, and things that their titles denote.". I believe there is an interesting class of people who have been termed dudes; that class has changed over time; it is possible to write an article about the class; dandies are a different class. In fact, the current Dandy article is an excellent role model for what this article should become. Gwernol 11:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

A good article can be written about dandy because we have a good historical perspective. The current usage of dude is too fresh and the slang is too general. See WP:RECENTISM. Anyway, I have recast the article in disambig format now. Please take a look. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I won't revert your latest change, but the use of the term "dude" to mean something other than dandy is at least 100 years old. Its not clear to me that "recentism" applies in this case. Gwernol 12:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I put the modern slang usage at the top of the list and the dandy usage at the bottom for this reason. Note that the OED orders them the other way round: dandy first, then the greenhorn and then the modern slang. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I've reverted the change. I agree with Gwernol. The terms "dude" and "dandy" imply two very different things and have so for some time. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 12:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The OED always orders chronolpogically as a principle. The sequence is no guideline for relative importance currently or even in the past--just for the chronology of introduction of the different meanings. DGG (talk) 17:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

You guys are/were rather confused. The wikipedia works on concepts not names. To the extent that dude means dandy, historically or otherwise you need to add that to the dandy article, not the dude article.- (User) Wolfkeeper (Talk) 23:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Neiln does not seem to have read the discussion in which we moved past the idea of redirecting. The disambig format properly separates the different usages which do persist in reliable sources. I am starting a separate section to make this clear. Please address my latest version which does not emphasise the dandy usage. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have - assume good faith. First, please address Gwernol's points:

The term dude clearly refers to a different set of people than the term dandy. The article should be about dudes - per WP:DICT: "Articles are about the people, concepts, places, events, and things that their titles denote.". I believe there is an interesting class of people who have been termed dudes; that class has changed over time; it is possible to write an article about the class; dandies are a different class. In fact, the current Dandy article is an excellent role model for what this article should become

Again, I agree with him, WP:RECENTISM does not apply. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 12:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• I'm going to put an appropriate tag or two on the article to summarise my criticism. This will probably include a proposal to delete the article as it doesn't really belong here in my opinion. I expect we will end up at AFD but you might take the opportunity to improve the article along the lines you favour. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• Since last week the article has lost a list of synonyms like bloke and has regained a longer of examples of usage in pop culture. This is all still the stuff of a dictionary definition and the possibility of it being anything more seems unlikely. I now propose that the article be deleted. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the proposed deletion tag, not because I necessarily disagree, but because this is not a "obvious" deletion. This would require a community discussion at AfD to get wider input before it is deleted. Gwernol 12:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Dude Culture

• fyi - I have redirected Dude Culture to Dude. Canuckle (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

How to save this article

These consrtuctive comments on sourcing have been copied here from the AfD on this article.

The current article is not well written, but I contend it is possible to build a reasonable article about the word "dude" from proper soucres. For example this article from Random House would seem to be a promising starting point for an editor interested in creating a good article on the subject, particularly how the term has evolved and its impact on society and culture. Or how about this interesting article on the "dude vote" which may also warrant inclusion? Here is a book on dude ranches, another rich source of material and here is another. I'm sure with a bit of digging a plethora of books and articles could be found to write a really interesting and well researched article here. The fact that the current article is below standard should encourage us to improve it, not delete it, as long as we can find good sources to work from, which I think we can here. Gwernol 01:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Some more: this article from the journal American Speech, Deborah Hick's book "Discourse, Learning, and Schooling" and this paper also from American Speech. Gwernol 01:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Articles shouldn't be written by citing the dictionary, but the journal article in American Speech [2] listed in the external links section strongly suggests this is an encyclopedic topic, even if not presently a very good article. cab (talk) 06:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Things in the ext. links section are often misplaced sources, as appears to be the case here. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 10:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

New mEANING

In my area, the word dude is used to refer to the foreskin]

THOMASNATOR (talk) 11:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

New reference--a company

In 1999, a company selling educational software decided to call itself "SchoolDude", I guess trying to be hip. It's over at www.schooldude.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.172.26.6 (talk) 04:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Terrible

This article fails at being encyclopedic. None of these are cited:

It can alternatively be spelled "dood."

As an interjection, a short, clipped "dude!" might be used to convey annoyance with someone, while a long, drawn-out "duuuude" conveys amazement.

"Dude" is considered to be slang, similar to the phrase "man."

Either remove, or cite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.251.229.240 (talk) 23:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Scott Kiesling (see also)

Scott Kiesling is the author of Dude (2004), an article on the uses of the word by men in the United States. The article is one of this page's external links. I added his name under 'see also', but it was quickly removed. I don't watch this page, and don't want to start a controversy, but someone might want to re-add the link.Cnilep (talk) 15:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)