Talk:1932 Detroit Wolves season

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Did you know... that the 1932 Detroit Wolves won the pennant with an outfielder, first baseman, shortstop, and two pitchers who were all inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:04, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the 1932 Detroit Wolves won the pennant with an outfielder, first baseman, shortstop, and two pitchers who were inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame? Source: The Seamheads site (here) confirms "5 members of the Baseball Hall of Fame". The five inductees are center fielder Cool Papa Bell, first baseman Mule Suttles, shortstop Willie "The Devil" Wells, and pitchers Ray Brown and Smokey Joe Williams.. Hall of Fame profiles for all five are cited in the article.
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Reviewed: Jacki Sorensen

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - n
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - What is a "pennant"?

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Three comments:

Can the citations in the Roster section please be made clearer? I was going to fail this as an uncited section before I noticed the citations underneath. This could perhaps be done similarly to the Game log section, with another column being added to the table. At the moment it is unclear what those citations refer to, as they appear unattached to anything specific.
Could you provide a link for the word 'pennant', or else describe what this is, within the hook? Reading this in the UK I had no idea what this referred to. Possibly Pennant (sports) or Pennant race could be used?
Not a barrier to DYK, but within the article St. Louis Stars links to a disambiguation page. Ideally this would be fixed, but I feel a DYK could continue regardless. CSJJ104 (talk) 19:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cbl62: - Pinging in case you hadn't seen my comments. Are you able to address these and provide a QPQ? CSJJ104 (talk) 18:59, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the ping, CSJJ. I will address these points shortly. Cbl62 (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CSJJ104: The issues you raised have been fixed, with the exception of the manner of citation in the roster section. Whereas the game log section has a separate source for each line item, each entry in the roster section is supported by the same two citations which are provided at the end of the section. In similar cases (e.g. GA-rated 2008 Philadelphia Phillies season#Roster), it is common practice is to list the roster source only once. It would be possible, but repetitious, to include the same two citations after each and every entry on the roster. I will do it if necessary for DYK passage, but it is contrary to normal practice and strikes me as sub-optimal. Cbl62 (talk) 20:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cbl62: It doesn't have to be a separate column, but the issue at the moment is that the citations appear unattached to any particular text. The example you give has the citations attached to the text introducing the table, this would be acceptable here if some text were added. Other alternatives are to add the citation templates to the top of each column, or to add a table caption and add them there. CSJJ104 (talk) 22:59, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CSJJ104: Done. Thanks for your help in reviewing the hook and improving the hook. Negro league teams have been neglected on Wikipedia, and I'm excited to have this appear on the main page! Cbl62 (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with citations and clarity of hook have been addressed. Article is new enough and long enough, and a QPQ has been done. Offline source accepted in good faith. CSJJ104 (talk) 11:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]