Talk:2023 US Open – Men's singles

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Comparison of Djokovic’s achievements to M.Court’s

Their singles major titles records, however impressive, can’t directly be compared. Is elephant’s weight more impressive than a giraffe’s height? Moving closer to the subject: if Britney Griner wins five WNBA titles, would it be less impressive than Jordan’s six? Not necessarily. Maybe it takes significantly more effort (e.g. depth of competition) to win multiple titles in wnba? I can’t be sure, and neither can you, Gopats. Now even in men’s pro sports, statistical distribution of championships looks very different across different sports. It’s downright impossible to win back-to-back titles in NFL, for example, while it routinely happens in other sports. If you look at championship results across four major pro sports, the percentage of teams who won zero titles vs one title vs two titles etc will look starkly different.

Court set her record before the Open Era, which means there were two separate tours, and professional players (often the best ones) were prevented from playing in the grand slam tournaments. It was so much easier to win a major back then. Just google “tennis open era”. That’s why all these record books specify if anything happened in the Open Era. Ask anyone who half-knows tennis to compare Court’s 24 to S.Williams’s 23 and they will tell there is nothing to be compared: S.Williams crushes Court.

I don’t know how familiar you are with tennis specifically, but men’s and women’s singles are very different beasts even in the same open era, at least from what I observed in the last 20 years. In men’s, a player can play brilliant tennis and still run into a “wall” that is the top 10-20. A previously unimpressive player, playing at an unbelievable level would be lucky to reach semi-, or even quarterfinal. The women’s circuit suffers from an absence of depth and volatile performance swings. If a talented player can play at a stable high level for some time, she can win a lot of titles easily. In other words the statistical bell curve of results in men’s and women’s tennis looks very different. Therefore it’s impossible to compare men’s and women’s results solely based on numbers, even standard numbers.

Now if your crusade is against sexist glorification of white straight men, and you want to raise women to same heights, I understand that. Only in that case please also don’t be able-ist. Then we simply acknowledge that either Djokovic or Court hardly set any records when we put them in perspective with Esther Vergeer’s records.

If you are going to keep undoing my edits, please explain WHY you did so. Otherwise it looks like a group of people got exclusive rights to “crush trolls”, only not all dissent is trolling just because it goes against PC orthodoxy. 73.229.60.11 (talk) 04:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]