Talk:6th Army (Wehrmacht)
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Taking the 6th
Moving warcrimes into warcrimes section
Moving mention of Warcrimes in opening statement to the warcrimes section, as it is not a defining characteristic of 6th Army. For reference, note that 45th Infantry Division (United_States) page does not have mention of Biscari massacre in its opening lede. The same will be followed here. Jtf2014 (talk) 05:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Jtf2014
- The purpose of the lede is not to provide "defining characteristics" but rather to summarize the article. Given the 6th Army has a rather long association with war crimes, a mention of them should be included. Note that there was another edit war over a similar sentence about a year ago. It was decided that the lede should mention war crimes, but the phrase should be worded in a neutral way.
6th Army consisted of roughly 330,000 men when under Paulus' command. Do you really think that all or even the majority of these men/officer's are "Deeply implicated in war crimes" ? As you are intent of writing? Or do you think that there are some few officers who were involved in war crimes? If it is all or a majority of these 330k then by all means, your statement belongs in the opening "lede" as it would describe what 6th Army was created to do (its purpose if you wish).
- The answer to that is Yes, the majority, probably overwhelming majority, of soldiers of the Sixth Army were implicated in war crimes. In the War Crimes section, there was a reference to a BBC documentary that studied the now released records of the Sixth Army stating just that. An omission of that fact in the lede does not provide a true summary of the activities of this particular Wehrmacht military formation and needs to be re-instated.
- Did you even look at the source citations? Specifically the rather fine reporting the BBC did on the subject. They quite bluntly state, summarizing now released Sixth army records, that the scope of warcrimes committed by that formation was enormous. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
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