Talk:AEW TNT Championship

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Is there an available image either on Wikipedia or Commons of the mansion? That would be a good image to add to the article for the belt design section. --JDC808 ♫ 04:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Defenses instead of days?

I realize days held is important, but would it not also make sense to list how many times a title was defended? Someone can hold a title for a year and never defend it due to an injury / whatever, and look like the longest reigning champion. Cody's open-challenge defenses could also be a standing record for some time.--BLACK FUTURE (tlk2meh) 05:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

As per the Style Guide, we only include defenses if the promotion keeps track of them. AEW does not track their title defenses, so neither do we, because then it gets into WP:OR territory. Also, in response to what you said here: "Someone can hold a title for a year and never defend it due to an injury / whatever, and look like the longest reigning champion." There's no "look" to it, it would be a fact regardless of how many times they defended it (i.e., Brock Lesnar and his first reign as Universal Champion, or even back in the territory days, which is a reason why there were such long reigns then). The number of defenses doesn't determine the length of the reign. It just determines how good of a champion they are and public perception, depending on the booking. --JDC808 ♫ 10:28, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

right, this is why i asked. That said, AEW doesn't track days either. I'm just looking at this from a casual reader's perspective, as as the data in the table isn't fleshed out. Currently, AEW doesn't officially track days a title is held OR defenses, just wins and losses, but rather it's fairly vague in terms of how long it's been held on to. Cody's defenses, for example, or Moxley's "reign" because of his wins against all opponents are emphasized. I don't want to get into OR territory, but as it stands Darby is set to eclipse Cody's second reign and Lee's reign, hover since making this thread he still has never had a single's match as champion. It's misleading or confusing to readers to see him as having a "reign" that has never been defended, ever. --BLACK FUTURE (tlk2meh) 02:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually, they do track the number of days a person has held a title (I don't know of a promotion that doesn't). Again, how many times they defend a title does not dictate the length of their reign (that is solely based on the number of days they've held it, nothing more). I'm also not sure what more you want fleshed out. The top of the columns state what each stat is (i.e., how many times they've held the title, how many days, etc.). The Key right before the reigns table explains exactly what each box is indicating (i.e, the difference between "Days" and "Days recog."). There's only so much we can do to hold a casual reader's hand. --JDC808 ♫ 20:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Two things: Yes, AEW now publishes the day a title is held, but this current article has two columns: Days (official), and 'Real days'. The latter is literally WP:OR as its disputing the official / canon statistics. Second, what do you mean by "neither do we" in regards to recording title defenses? Is this a wiki project rule you're citing? Because List of current champions in New Japan Pro-Wrestling lists title defenses and I'm sure other articles do as well. Also, it's one thing to talk about stats that go in a table, but another to revert mentioning title defenses in an article's history section – that gets into WP:JDL. --BLACK FUTURE (tlk2meh) 08:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

It's not a "now publishes" thing, AEW has tracked the days since they first published the title histories for their titles. The two columns for real days and days recognized are not OR. It is backed by reliable sources and project consensus (and previously, we only included the real days until I started a discussion to gain the consensus to also include the official days recognized by the promotion). What I mean by "neither do we" is covered in the very first sentence of my very first response where I cite the project's guideline in regard to this very issue. But here it is again, as per the project's Style Guide, we only include defenses if the promotion keeps track of them. If a promotion does not track title defenses, then neither do we. I'm not sure how I can be any clearer than that. And no, reverting you on that was not an issue of JDL. It falls under that same guideline. And in regard to other articles listing defenses, there are in fact articles that do because that promotion tracks the title defenses. --JDC808 ♫ 09:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

AEW does keep track of defenses now though. I’m not sure if they are extensive with it as NJPW, but there have been several times where a wrestler’s name bar has “making ___th title defense” as the top info line. BadGirlRyleigh (talk) 00:23, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Keyword there, now. Back when this discussion started, they didn't. I did notice they sorta started making note of that at All Out when they were making a point that if The Young Bucks had retained, it would have been their 10th successful defense (I think that was the number). The issue, however, is it's not extensive. On the official title histories on their website, title defenses aren't included. If it was decided to include it, we'd have to go back through the most recent events that a title defense took place to see whatever number they put. --JDC808 ♫ 09:57, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

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