Talk:Abū ʿAbd Allāh Muḥammad ibn Saʿd ibn Mardanīsh

His origins

“He was a muwallad, a descendant of a native Iberian convert to Islam, and his last name is not of Arabic origin“

There is absolutely not a singe Islamic sources that claims he was a non Arab. every historical Islamic source from Iberia stated that he was an Arab from the tribe of Judham. hence he is called Al-Judhami (duh) Jasmkssnksskskskskz (talk) 22:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need an Islamic source (duh). The existence of tribal nisbas does not indicate actual ancestry. He is always admitted to be a muwallad. Srnec (talk) 01:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need primary Islamic sources to learn about a historical Islamic ruler? What sources concerning his life do we look for? Chinese sources? Who has "always admitted he is a muwallad"? you? Not a single primary Arabic source from Al-Andalus claimed that he was a muwallad; rather, they all mention his Arab ancestry. When writing panegyrics, Andalusi poets especially emphasize his Judhami ancestry. Tribal nisabs are more of an indication than stating that Ibn Mardanish must be a muwallad because the name "Mardansh" has Romance roots. As a result of this logical flow, Abd al-Rahman "Sanchuelo" most be a muwallad too? Jasmkssnksskskskskz (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RS. We generally don't interpret primary sources here. The Funj people claimed to be Banu Umayya. That doesn't make it true. Bosch-Vilá explicitly says that "it is certain that, despite his nisba, [he] was a muladí." It is easy to see that he is not the only source to call him a muwallad. Here we rate Bosch-Vilá higher than Jasmkssnksskskskskz. But perhaps you have other sources to back you up? Sources that dispute the logic of Bosch-Vilá et al.? Srnec (talk) 01:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Origin

Is it possible that Mardanish derived from Persian language مردانش؟ Alihd23 (talk) 13:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If he was a muwallad, as all sources agree, then that would seem unlikely. But as far as I am aware, the meaning of "Mardanish" is not settled. None of Brill's reference works that I just checked mentions Persian. Srnec (talk) 14:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

Wouldn't it be better to change the article's name to "Wolf King" if that's how the figure is most commonly referred to in the English language? Even if not, certainly it makes no sense to have the article's title be a transliteration of the name rather than a proper English rendition of it. Shigad (talk) 21:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]