Talk:Advisory Neighborhood Commission district 7F08

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The result was: promoted by DirtyHarry991 talk 07:56, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that you have to be in jail to run for one neighborhood commission seat in Washington, D.C.? Source: "Last-Minute Changes To New ANC Boundaries Draw Pushback And Concern Over Fate Of D.C. Jail Seat"; "A special election inside a D.C. jail results in a first: a female winner"
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  • Comment: This might make a good quirky hook.^(?)

Created by Tamzin (talk) and Elli (talk). Nominated by Tamzin (talk) at 00:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Advisory Neighborhood Commission district 7F08; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Will review. Seddon ^talk 12:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: If we are going for wit I am definitely willing to gloss over the minutiae whether we are fine leveraging the misdirection of "in jail" to not explicitly mean an inmate, but merely be in a jail. My understanding is that to stand, you must be eligible to vote. It was noted in a source that at least one voter was not an inmate. I'll give it a couple of days for any objections but otherwise I think this is good to go. Approving based on ALT2. Seddon ^talk 13:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Seddon: The one mentioned case of a non-incarcerated person voting was in the old 7F07, which also included the women's shelter and, in the final years of the district's existence, the Park Kennedy apartments. But per the first source cited above, the line for 7F08 was drawn specifically so no one other than inmates would live there. And [1] (should have cited above, sorry) confirms that as of June 2022, 100% of residents of the district were incarcerated. That said, on reflection, I'm going to strike ALT0 for a different reason: my use of the word "run". This is a bit esoteric, but under D.C. law, eligibility is only assessed if you win, which means that you or I could run, and, as long as we affirmed our write-in candidacies but didn't win, would not be disqualified. (Although a subsequent fraud prosecution might make us eligible for the next election!) Anyways, maybe that's excessive autopedantry, but:

ALT1: ... that only jail inmates can represent one neighborhood commission seat in Washington, D.C.? Source: "DC Council Approves ANC Redistricting Legislation in Final Vote": "The new 7F08 is entirely populated by residents of the DC Jail"; "Last-Minute Changes To New ANC Boundaries Draw Pushback And Concern Over Fate Of D.C. Jail Seat": "the D.C. Jail will have its own dedicated ANC commissioner"

This also adds a good "can"/"may" distinction: it's not that it's a legal requirement to be incaracerated; it's that there is not currently any lawful way to be commissioner without residing in the D.C. Jail. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 16:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Seddon: Sorry to complicate things after you approved this, but I've been turning this over in my head and now think my fix isn't that much better. The main issue is that the use of "one"—originally introduced to avoid the ambiguity of "a"—now adds ambiguity of its own, potentially implying some rule where inmates can represent one seat but non-inmates can represent multiple. (Also I should have said "district", not "seat".) Just mulled over a few options with theleekycauldron and we (mostly she, unless it's bad, in which case mostly me) came up with

ALT2: ... that in one neighborhood commission district, the voters and officeholders are all inmates at the D.C. Jail?

Does that work for you? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 20:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Seddon ^talk 01:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 07:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

This article is utterly fascinating yet also sobering. There is not much to be done: two minor copy tweaks, some fresh eyes maybe, and I suggest adding an image of the DC Jail. Ping me when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie: Thanks! Image added, sentences reworded. I also added a brief sentence about Castón being appointed to the D.C. Sentencing Commission, a development since I wrote this that seems worth noting. Weird sidenote: Pretty sure that, just barely in-frame in the image I added, is the plot at Congressional Cemetery where my grandfather is buried. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 17:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Copy changes

• Commissioners serve two-year terms and draw no salary, but receive funding for expenses and staffing. Remove comma (WP:CINS)
• However, Castón was registered to vote in Ward 8, and was thus ruled ineligible Remove second comma (CINS)

Sourcing and spot checks

• 5: America magazine article. This only works in conjunction with [4] but notes that he was taking classes and talks about the PSP. Y
• 13: WUSA article on Castón being newly free but still commissioner. Y
• 19: Afro-American article on transfer out of D.C.: The transfer removed Bishop from the city, making him ineligible and unable to continue in his duties as a commissioner... Y
• 21: Washington Informer article: Hayes, a Georgetown University prison scholar... Y
• P3: Published video of statements (as proof of its own existence). Y
• P6: Interview with Bishop when he was at McCreary. Y

Images

The lone image is a CC-BY map overlaid on OSM data. The size of the facility could be represented with one of the three fairly recent jail aerials on Commons, like File:DCJail-North.jpg or File:DCJailSouth.jpg.

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