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Please no "personal research", that fits your Estonian made-up narratives. While it might be fun to make such claims, they are essentially on the same level that Russians are making in regards to Ukrainians and now Ukrainians in regards to Russians, which is fun...(especially the claims from Ukrainians that Russians had Finnic canibal ancestry) There was Danish Estland located in territory of modern Estonia ~1000 years ago and this is where Estonia and Estonians are getting their name. There is no relation between Danish Estland and Aestia - other than that both of the names are derived from Germanic name of meaning for EAST.

Here are the key points: Suebi(NOT SWEDES!!!) and Suebian sea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi Swedes has no importance for locating Aesti. Even more - Swedes were not located West from Estonia during the Tacitus, but if we really need to be nitpicky about it, then Suiones at that time were located in Skone area. While there might be argument about islands, that only Estonia have them, Baltic shore has been changing over time and dune spits that are now established as connected to the land were not such in the past. However islands here are subjective argument and many things can be perceived by islands in the past. Regardless, Vistula Spit during different times could have been consisting of islands and even spit could have been considered as island. As for Estonian islands - they might not have been considered as islands, but lands, as they are massive. While we can "see" islands in Google, nothing of that type of technology was available 2000 years ago.

The most defining argument about location of Aesti has always been AMBER, that ONLY Aesti used for trade that was brought to Roman Empire. Amber in Kaliningrad oblast(Russian part of Prussia) even today is available in such quantities that it can still be extracted in industrial scale. Nothing of that is possible anywhere else - not even in neighbouring countries and not to mention Estonia, where finding amber would be equal to news of sight of meteorite.

So, in conclusion: Aesti were ancient Prusians, who lived east of Suebians, who traded amber and that is the only reason why they are known to Romans. While Estonian narrative is built on location,

There is even much later accounts of Prussians named as Aesti by Wulfstan of Hedeby: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulfstan_of_Hedeby The only "uncertainty" in regards to what Aesti means seems to be only in modern times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.113.79 (talk) 09:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The Estonian word for "Estonia" is "Eesti." Similar to Aesti... any significance? --Vix05 19:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, no - other than that Aest and Est have common development from Germanic languages with meaning East and Aest was more archaic form.

No one was calling Estonians specifically as Estonians(they had some other names) before Danish colony Estland, which is about 1000 years later than Aesti were mentioned. So, Estonia is not named after Estonians, but Estonians are named after Estland. 88.111.113.79 (talk) 08:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Good article; I'm glad to see that someone wrote about this. I cleaned it up a little and added a reference to the Nordic Bronze Age, in order to make it clear that the Baltic amber trade went back much further than Roman times. I'd prefer if we could be clear on which language Tacitus said theirs was related to; I'm assuming the Celtic languages of Britain but I need to check the original passage. - --Breadhat 16:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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I copied latin text about Aesti from book, since I don`t know latin I might have misspelled something - if so I`m sorry for that

"Aesti etiam mare scutantur

...Dextor Suebici maris litore Aestiorum gentes alluuntur, quibus ritus habitusque Sueoborum, lingua Britannicae propior. Matrem deum venerantur. Insigne superstitionis formas aprorum gestant; id pro armis omnique tutela securum deae cultorem etiam inter hostes praestat. Rarus apud eos ferri, frequens fustium usus. Frumenta ceterosque fructus patientius quam pro solita Germanorum intertia laborant.

Sed et marescruntantur, ac soli omnium sucinum, quod ipsi glaesum vocant, inter vada atque ipso in litore legunt. Nec quae natura aut quae ratio gignat, ut barbaris, quaestium compertumve est; diu inter cetera eiectamenta maris lacebat glaesum istud, donec luxuria nostra dedit nomen. Ipsis in nullo usu est: rude legitur, informe perfertur mirantes accipiunt.

Sucus tamen arborum fortasse est, quia terrena quaedam atque etiam volucria animalia pelerumque interlucent, quae implicata humore mox direscente materia cluduntur. Fecundiora igitur nemora lucosque sicut Orientis, ita Occidentis insulis terrisque inesse crediderim, ubi tura balsamaque sudantur, quae vicini solis radiis expressa atque liquentia in proximum mare labuntur ac vi tempestatum in adversa litora exundant. Si naturum sucini admoto igni temptes, in modum taedae accenditur alitque flammam pinguem et olentem; mox in picem lentescit." Xil 11:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ostimii

I found a book that suggests the Osismii or Ostimii of Strabo and Pytheas were the Aestii. It is a good theory and I wrote a section for this article based on it. However it is not a compelling theory and after looking the material on the Celtic Osismii I changed my mind. So, I am deleting most of that section, which I had under Strabo and replacing it with a note giving that view and that references. I am not restoring the entire article however partly because of its inaccuracies which I corrected and also because it needs expansion and I did set up for expansion.Dave (talk) 15:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

I've been WP:BOLD and removed two User created maps as they are essentially OR. The map "Germaniae veteris typus" remains as a published map showing the possible location of the Aesti. --Martin (talk) 10:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Those maps were perfectly valid, they are used on dozens of other Wikipedia articles. I'm putting them back. --Hibernian (talk) 15:16, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Modern DNA analysis

What 'modern DNA analysis' section has to do with Aesti? I can't see any connection. Minnekon (talk) 11:23, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Genetic research confirms that certain markers are common among Eastern European populations regardless of ethnicity. The Y-chromosome SNP haplogroup indicates closeness between Lithuanian, Latvian, and Estonian populations, however, other haplotypes suggest distinct demographic histories.^[1]^[2]

I took that out as it's not about article subject. Also removed "See also": Narva culture (5300 to 1750 BC) for same reason. --Minnekon (talk) 20:24, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ D Kasperaviciūte, V Kucinskas and M Stoneking (2004). "Y Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Variation in Lithuanians". Annals of Human Genetics 68 (Pt 5): 438–52. doi:10.1046/j.1529-8817.2003.00119.x. PMID 15469421.
^ "European Y-DNA haplogroups frequencies by country". eupedia.com.

Pronunciation

Is the Latin name Aesti pronounced \ah-YES-tee\, or \ASS-tee\? —Michael Z. 2019-12-11 15:56 z

Reference removed

One referenced statement is removed by user:Ke an. See: Special:Diff/957178056--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:05, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored it. Now he can explain the removal as per WP:BRD Alcaios (talk) 11:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, I have just read the source and it is exactly what it is saying, so there's no legitimate rationale behind that edit in my opinion. Alcaios (talk) 11:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] D Kasperaviciūte, V Kucinskas and M Stoneking (2004). "Y Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Variation in Lithuanians". Annals of Human Genetics 68 (Pt 5): 438–52. doi:10.1046/j.1529-8817.2003.00119.x. PMID 15469421.

[2] "European Y-DNA haplogroups frequencies by country". eupedia.com.

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