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Some reference sources conflate the first 2 Brescia sci-fi films into one, they don't seem to realize that they were 2 separate movies. Many sources (including imdb !!!) list Cosmos: War of the Planets, Anno zero - Guerra nello spazio, Year Zero: War in Space, War of the Planets, Cosmo 2000, Battaglie negli spazi stellari, Battle in Interstellar Space, Planet Without a Name and The War in Space all as alternate titles for the same film, which is ridiculous!! There are two different films involved here! I know because I have them both on dvd, and trust me, they are 2 completely separate movies. The problem is that vhs distributors in the 90's kept conflating the titles all into one movie, because the casts are very similar, and even the sets and costumes are the same in both films for the most part. But you'd think it would be fixed now that the Brescia films are all available on dvd now, and people can see they are 2 separate films. Very disappointing...(see this review: http://www.millionmonkeytheater.com/CosmosWarofthePlanets.html)68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC) (Note* - Brescia's The Beast in Space (1980) was an x-rated film that was not part of Brescia's space film series).[reply]

Here are the correct titles for the 4 Alfonso Brescia space films that he made in 1977/78, in chronological order, along with their release dates in italy....(I just can't find appropriate sources for them to enable me to list them in the Brescia article....but I will.)

Just as a heads up, despite your claims of IMDb listing something, does not mean we should use it as a source. IMDb is a user developed database, so we do not consider it a reliable source. Read WP:RS/IMDb for more information. I would try to find more reliable sources for the rest of your content (Letterboxd and other sources are also just pulling info form IMDb or do not state how their information is gathered so I would not use them as reliable sources.) Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:36, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm not advocating using imdb as a source. If you look at my above paragraph, I'm saying imdb.com got the Alfonso Brescia space movies listed all WRONG on their site! In fact, I think imdb may be the cause of all the misinformation regarding Brescia's first two space movies. They totally messed up the variant titles for COSMOS WAR OF THE PLANETS, listing "BATTLE OF THE STARS" and "BATTLE IN INTERSTELLAR SPACE" as variant titles for "COSMOS". Yet in another area of their site, they list "BATTLE OF THE STARS" as a separate movie, which is correct. Although I do find most of imdb's info to be accurate, they are really terrible with alternate titles of European movies. (But then there is also a ton of erroneous data on wikipedia as well). I only used letterboxed.com above because that site actually shows the poster from "BATTLE OF THE STARS", just to prove that (contrary to what imdb says) it was a completely separate movie from "COSMOS", that's all.68.129.15.71 (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would not be surprised IMDb being wrong here and preferably, I try to only put in alternative titles when we can apply to where they are from (was it released theatrically under the title, where, home video, etc.) Honestly, the Letterboxd site is not much of a source either as its user submitted information as well. The posters do not really state the obvious, I think we can clarify they are different enough via the Roberto Curti book source where he lists the individual titles. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you still list "WAR IN SPACE" as one of the 4 Brescia space films on the wiki article. "WAR IN SPACE" was a Japanese movie made in 1977 in Japan. The correct title of Brescia's film should be "Battle of the Stars". If you can't add the correct title to the article for lack of a source, could you at least remove the "War in Space" title from the article? That is totally erroneous. "War in Space" was a Japanese movie, not Italian. The Roberto Curti book lists "War in Space" as a Brescia film?? That must be a terrible book to use a source then. Thanks for your consideration.68.129.15.71 (talk) 20:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would not remove it. Several published sources refer to this film by this title. Curti is very specific about only using films that name Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:07, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

you didn't finish the last sentence? What was that about Curti? He only uses films that name what? 68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at the reference sources you linked me to. They are using "The War in Space" as an alternate title for "Cosmos: War of the Planets" (known in Italy as "Cosmos: The War in Space"). "Cosmos: The War in Space" is the literal translation of the Italian title. So they're both just two different titles for the same movie! You are omitting one of the films completely from the article ("Battle of the Stars", aka Battaglie negli spazi stellari)(*see https://letterboxd.com/film/battle-of-the-stars/). You are listing "Cosmos" and "War in Space" in the article as if they were two separate films, but both titles refer to "Cosmos: War of the Planets".

So you have the same film "Cosmos" listed twice in the article, and you have omitted "Battle of the Stars" from the article entirely. Can't you see the error here? I guess we'll just leave it that way then, if you refuse to correct it. I can't think of any other way to convince you. lol (I have all 4 of Brescia's space movies on dvd, and I know for a fact the info I'm giving you here is accurate. The "published sources" you are linking me to are simply incorrect on this one.)68.129.15.71 (talk) 21:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed War of the Planets per your discussion. I apologize for not answering further. Had a busy weekend. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All apologies for before again. I figured as the title are confusing, The Curti book specifically says the following: "When Star Wars became a worldwide hit, [Brescia] shot five science fiction films in a row, with the same cast, sets and crew and had them released in the next three years: The War in Space (Annon zero: guerra nello spazio, 1977), War of the Planets (Battaglie negli spazi stellari, 1977), War of the Robots (La guerra dei robot, 1978) Star Odyssey (Sette uomini d'oro nello spazio, 1979) and The Beast in Space (La bestia nello spazio, 1980)." He mentions five films with different titles. I have re-changed the titles to match the Italian titles to avoid confusion. I would avoid using cheap database sites that do not list how their information is gathered to try to divide this up further. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:21, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I never thought of using just the Italian titles, that certainly resolves the whole problem. The huge amount of misinformation on the internet regarding these film's alternate titles is staggering. I think the best thing to do is just list the original Italian release titles, because although most of the people who come to this site probably do not speak Italian, at least now they're getting the correct titles!! (I wish them good luck finding them on dvd though in the USA; lol) Thanks68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Its not ideal, but for films that have been released by several English titles and for a film that has no real strong critical overview online (that I can find anyways), this is probably the easiest way to split up the titles without mixing them up. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the Brescia article, you write: "Following the release of Star Wars, he shot five science fiction films in a row, Anno zero: guerra nello spazio, Battaglie negli spazi stellari, La guerra dei robot, Sette uomini d'oro nello spazio and The Beast in Space." You then set up a wiki article on Anno Zero, Guerra dei robot and Sette uomini, but you never made a wiki article page on the 2nd of the four movies "Battaglie". I'm just curious why you won't make a wiki article page for that one title out of the four? There's a link on two sites showing the movie poster, and you could also put a plot synopsis and the cast listing on it. That's all the other pages have basically.68.129.15.71 (talk) 17:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've already answered this on your talk page, but there is not really enough information to warrant it. Per WP:NFP, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." A poster, an infobox and a cast is not significant enough information to develop an article. Other basic items include WP:NFSOURCES. This is why a lot of Brescia's other films are tagged as possibly not meeting notability standards for WP:FILM. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:06, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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