Talk:Annabelle Comes Home

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Year of plot

The Annabelle case which is described in the opening scene of the first Conjuring film (which is the same as the opening scene of Annabelle Comes Home) clearly tells us that it is set in 1968. After the first scenes, the text 'one year later' is shown. This may be referring to one year after The Conjuring, as the music box from the first film is already placed in the artifact room. In addition to this, the main story of the film makes sense that it is set in 1972 (one year after The Conjuring) because of this music box and because of the end credits where the song Dancing in the Moonlight by King Harvest plays. This song was released in 1972. -Kaito Nakamura (talk) 10:13, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn’t make any sense. Why would they put one year later right after they put Annabelle in the glass box? AnonymousFixer (talk) 15:35, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

+ the trailer song was released in 1970 (before the conjuring) and that contradicts your 1972 theory. AnonymousFixer (talk) 15:35, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree, it’s confusing. It makes sense that it’s in either 1971 or 1972. Since the opening scene of The Conjuring is the same as this scene and that film is set in 1971, it could be that it’s set in that year or a year later. Either way, Annabelle Comes Home definitely cannot be set before the events of The Conjuring since April’s music box from that film is already placed in the artefact room. Kaito Nakamura (talk) 13:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An official featurette of the film The Nun also says, that the first Annabelle-Movie is set in 1970. 1968 is a mistake of the first conjuring film... so the warrens investigated in 1971 and the intertitles in Annabelle 3 says the main plot is set "one year later" (not four years as in the article) - so 1968 is a mistake in the first conjuring filme.--Stupid-serienjunkie (talk) 20:16, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaito Nakamura:, What are your thoughts on this? Cardei012597 (talk) 20:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In my own personal opinion, I do see a strong argument for both sides, Kaito's and yours. In an attempt to settle the matter, maybe just reword the plot, remove mention of the years the film took place in. I do not believe we'll keep a consensus on which year is used to describe the film's events, so I feel that the best course of action is removing any mention of number of years or the date the events of the film took place. I hope my position will be warmly recieved. Cardei012597 (talk) 21:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cardei012597: @Stupid-serienjunkie: Please read below, I look forward to hearing your thoughts and opinions Kaito Nakamura (talk) 00:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Conjuring specifically states that the interview with the Warrens and the nurses was in 1968. Annabelle shows the same/similar scene at the beginning of the film then states ‘One year earlier’, meaning the film is set in 1967. The opening scenes of Annabelle: Creation is set in 1943, then flashes 12 years forward to 1955, then to another 12 years forward to 1967 (the events of the first Annabelle), where the Higgins are murdered, which is the same scene from the first Annabelle. I do believe it is strange how The Nun advertisement states Annabelle was in 1970, and I also believe it was some sort of error. If an agreement cannot be settled regarding the year of the plot, then the plot should be kept this way. The problems that may arise with this is that it is not specific, and readers/audiences may get confused and it sounds colloquial when you read it. Wikipedia should contain only formal language. I look forward to hearing your opinions regarding the matter. Kaito Nakamura (talk) 00:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I address this on the talk for The Conjuring Universe, so I'll copy that here, but basically they changed their minds as to when Annabelle happened between The Conjuring and Annabelle.

I think I've figured out the source of confusion on the timeline—and it's an error (or just a change) the filmmakers made between The Conjuring and Annabelle.

In The Conjuring, the scene with the nurses who have ended up with the Annabelle doll is clearly labelled as "1968 Case Files". In that scene, it is also clearly established the events that were later depicted in Annabelle (i.e. the first Annabelle movie but the second one in the Conjuring franchise), happened a year before, which would place those events in 1967.
However, in an early scene in Annabelle, the Forms are watching TV news coverage on the Manson Family Tate murders with commentary about Manson awaiting trial. The murders happened in 1969, and a newspaper shown on-screen covering the in-movie murder of the Higgins lists the date as 1970.

So it seems like the filmmakers, between The Conjuring and Annabelle, decided the Annabelle events happened in 1970, not 1967. This still places them before the events of The Conjuring, which were in 1971 (although I guess it means the scene with the nurses happened the same year as the events in The Conjuring... which is still plausible and actually makes the "one year later" in Annabelle Comes Home fit better, I think). And because our dates for Annabelle: Creation are based off "12 years before" and "24 years before" the events of the Annabelle, this would put Annabelle: Creation's main story in 1958 and the prelude in 1946. Given The Conjuring was first out of the gate before there was any series or spin-offs planned or mapped out, I personally would go with the dates given in the later films when no doubt they'd started to put together a coherent timeline.

This partially jives with The Nun featurette discussing the timeline, which shows Annabelle happening in 1970. Unfortunately, they list Annabelle: Creation as taking place in 1955, not 1958. So as for the two time periods depicted in Creation, it's still a little murky. However, whether 1955 or 1958, it still (generally) fits. What seems clear from the Annabelle movie and subsequent sources, though, is that Annabelle takes place in 1970.

As a result, if we're listing dates, we should list The Conjuring in 1971, Annabelle in 1970, etc. —Joeyconnick (talk) 01:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suggested to User:Stupid-serienjunkie to just do away with mentioning the year altogether, due to this confusion. Its only a matter of time until another editor disagrees with your decision and change the years in the plot again, since its been a recurring issue ever since Wikipedia editors wrote this plot in the first place. I think its a safe bet to have the plot be similar to what I edited for this page. I propose to use terms like "some time ago" or "a while ago" just to avoid confusion with these inconsistant years. I hope my idea will be recieved warmly. Cardei012597 (talk) 01:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Perhaps just not mentioning the year at all (at least on this article) is a good idea. We should keep the timeline on The Conjuring Universe article the same. We just need to be careful to not make it sound informal. Kaito Nakamura (talk) 02:28, 22 September 2019 (UTC) Kaito Nakamura (talk)[reply]

Joey and I took care of it. For now on, just on this page, keep the years/time from the plot. That way other editors won't constantly try to edit the years in the plot, due to this confusion. Cardei012597 (talk) 07:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]