Talk:Anti-Lithuanian sentiment

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Polish section

@SeriousThinker why did you revert all my edits? I comitted a lot of times veryifing the sources. Did you read descriptions of my edits? I started to write this section from the scratch. For weeks it was flagged as biased and many sources were tagged as weak or unreliable. Please let me continue my work. Marcelus (talk) 21:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was probably rewriting the same section around this time by adding new sources so you're not the only one who lost progress. You probably haven't published anything by the time I started. SeriousThinker (talk) 22:00, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but please revert this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-Lithuanian_sentiment&diff=prev&oldid=1243512021; I removed only unreliable and unsourced information. I was rewriting the whole section. Marcelus (talk) 22:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you author of most of the text I removed as unreliable or misleading; it is worrying that you are restoring your own content that was tagged as such. Marcelus (talk) 22:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what's exactly so worrying about this. As I've mentioned in one of my edit comments, all of these publications given as sources appear to have been written by academics. You might not like these sources and I have no doubt you have plenty of reasons to not like them, but I can't just allow huge swathes of text to simply disappear for no firm reason, especially when the some sources are academic ones. I think a much more constructive approach would be adding your own sources to the text rather than trying to create a whitewashed section about nothing. As for the "unbalanced" tag, I'm not sure how could this be resolved when the whole of point of the article is to focus on the negative aspects of the Lithuanian relationship with other countries in the first place. SeriousThinker (talk) 23:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that they are tagged indicates a consensus that they are unreliable. Moreover, you are citing Lithuanian nationalists such as Ozolas, Zinkevičius, and Sinicas; they are not just academics but also active politicians of nationalist parties. If the claims they make truly reflect a scholarly consensus, you should be able to point to independent sources that confirm the same. If not, such information cannot be included on Wikipedia. I also want to point out that many sections are beyond the scope of the article Marcelus (talk) 23:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SeriousThinker I would just like to point out that you have reinstated content tagged as unreliable and biased; you removed my attempts to correct the section and replace it with solid sources that describe the phenomenon (Polish prejudices towards Lithuania and Lithuanians) in its entirety. I leave this for your consideration. Marcelus (talk) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think your version is superior and I'd support restoring it. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS. I'll go ahead and restore it. You have explained your changes in edit summaries and here sufficiently, unlike SeriousThinker, who uses almost no edit summaries. SeriousThinker, please use edit summaries, in particular, when you remove content. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring content that is removed with rationale like here (failed verification) is a violation of WP:V and related policies - please be careful. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged mistreatment of Lithuanian POWs in Poland

Currently, the article states: "After the Polish–Lithuanian War, Lithuanian captives experienced inhumane treatment by the Polish: when transported to Galicia, they were deprived of food, insulted, and pelted with apples and stones. Some prisoners died from starvation."

This claim is supported by only one reference to a primary source, which raises concerns about the reliability of this information. Furthermore, this account is not corroborated by established scholarly works. In Wiktor Węglewicz's article "Outline of the History of the Prisoner Camp in Wadowice in 1918–1921," ([1], p. 168) the following details are provided:

A small but rather interesting group consisted of Lithuanian prisoners. They were captured during the Polish-Lithuanian clashes in the Battle of the Niemen in September 1920. Their number, compared to other groups, was not very large, totaling around 2,000 people. It was decided to concentrate them in Wadowice (although some—a small number—were also sent to Dąbie) due to the good conditions there and the very good management by the camp command. They were guaranteed significantly better conditions than others (the barracks allocated to them were renovated, and they were given higher food rations—the so-called 'C' provisioning table). This group was treated specially; their fate was of interest to the Polish public, which demanded better treatment and good conditions for them in the camps from the military authorities. The Lithuanians stayed in Wadowice for a short time; the first transport left Wadowice on October 17, 1920. The exchange of prisoners lasted until early February 1921, and after that date, there were no longer any Lithuanians in the camp.

As can be seen, this account stands in stark contrast to the information presented in the article. The treatment of Lithuanian prisoners does not reflect a particularly anti-Lithuanian sentiment within Polish society; on the contrary, it serves as an example of a positive attitude towards Lithuanians, who were treated more favorably than prisoners from other national groups.

Given these circumstances—the reliance on a single primary source and the absence of confirmation in secondary sources—it would be advisable to reconsider including this information in the article, in line with Wikipedia's guidelines. Marcelus (talk) 09:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]