Talk:Aosta Valley (political coalition)

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This page should be moved to Aosta Valley (political coalition), for consistency with the other page on the coalitions--Maremmano (talk) 12:29, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Political coalition" looks a little bit redundant to me and, in fact, I long thought about proposing to move The Union (political coalition) to The Union (coalition), The Olive Tree (political coalition) to The Olive Tree (coalition), etc. (I refrained from doing that because I'm less obsessed with articles' names than you :) — the only article's name I have been really obsessed with is Die Freiheitlichen, that should be The Freedomites, as it was before, in my view). However, your reasoning makes perfectly sense to me (as there are many articles' names inclduing "political party"), thus I fully support your proposal. --Checco (talk) 08:18, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

PS: At the end of the day, I would actually propose to move The Union (political coalition) to The Union (Italy) and The Olive Tree (political coalition) to The Olive Tree (Italy). See also Olive Tree (Greece).

Support the proposal of Maremmano, which is the most logical solution. (Also would support in principle Checco's renaming of several articles, The Olive Tree (political coalition) to The Olive Tree (Italy), etc, if we feel is necessary.)--Autospark (talk) 11:08, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I move the page. I could agree to move The Olive Tree (political coalition) to The Olive Tree (Italy)--Maremmano (talk) 23:06, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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@Checco and Scia Della Cometa: Aosta Valley was never a real coalition nor did it had a consistent name, these are just some UV-led alliances

first phase:
before 1979, UV ran in very different coalitions from PCI to DC & PLI but these coalitions had no names.
second phase:
in 1979 UV ran as Federalismo Europa Autonomie in the general election & EP election
1. in 1983 UV ran as Vallée d'Aoste - Autonomie Progrès Fédéralisme (still different allies from election to election)
2. in 1984 UV started to ran as part of a coalition in EP election with actually the name "Federalismo"
third phase:
in 2006 VdA split from CSX and was now an UV+FA+SA (sometimes +UdC+PdL+LN) coalition before this there was no clear alliance just UV with random parties from time to time
1. in 2008 the coalition was just named Vallée d'Aoste
2. EP election 2009: Federalismo was replaced by Vallée d'Aoste
fourth phase:
2016 UV and PD reconciliation for some reason italian wiki puts this as the end of the coalition
1. 2018 general election: For All coalition vs. Vallée d'Aoste - Tradition et Progrès both included former ALD and VdA (2006–16) members
2. 2018 Lega forms a coalition a coalition with ALPE (ALD), SA (VdA), Mouv (split from UVP (ALD))
3. 2018 Autonomist coalition in Aosta Valley
4. 2019: Autonomies for Europe
5. 2020: return of Vallée d'Aoste - Autonomie Progrès Fédéralisme

i think we should define what we actually think what VdA actually is Braganza (talk) 14:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would have a joint article covering the period from 1979 to now. In case, we could move the article to "Aosta Valley (electoral list)". --Checco (talk) 14:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

i agree Braganza (talk) 17:17, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But the list in 1979 was another one, with a different name. Technically there are many different electoral lists, that could be written in different articles.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 08:22, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

that is what i meant: we have to decide if we either make a broad Aostan coalition article or split it somehow Braganza (talk) 08:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it would not be wrong to have an article for each electoral list.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

i would agree

but what about Vallée d'Aoste - Autonomie Progrès Fédéralisme & Vallée d'Aoste? 2006-2008 UV-SA-FA was called Vallée d'Aoste - Autonomie Progrès Fédéralisme Braganza (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We could have articles for "Vallée d'Aoste - Autonomie Progrès Fédéralisme (1983–2006), "Vallée d'Aoste (2008–2013)", "Vallée d'Aoste - Tradition et Progrès (2018)", "Autonomies for Europe (2019)", "Vallée d'Aoste - Autonomie Progrès Fédéralisme (2022)" and "Federalism".--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

agree, i would change Vallée d'Aoste (2008–2013) to Vallée d'Aoste (2008–2016) i think

i would mention in the history section or so

"Vallée d'Aoste - Autonomie Progrès Fédéralisme" that in the 1979 general election there was a UV-Popular Democrats-PLI alliance called "Union Valdôtaine - Federalismo Europa Autonomie"
Federalism that there was the first national-wide regionalist alliance in 1979 EP election
and on Vallée d'Aoste (2008–2013) that there was already the same coalition under VdA-APF

Braganza (talk) 13:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, we are talking of the same list, under different names. A joint article since 1979 is the only plausible solution. --Checco (talk) 16:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

i think we should call more people Braganza (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

De facto, in the 1979 general election the list was essentially the Valdostan Union.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 17:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess by default a shared article is the best solution, the other question is whether we consider the alliance to have been founded in 1979 or 1983.--Autospark (talk) 15:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]