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discussion below applies to ayat

Is this plural or singular? Gadykozma 14:15, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Plural. I think this page ought to be moved to ayah. —No-One Jones (m) 16:40, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'll second that. Gady 19:36, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Done. —No-One Jones (m) 10:00, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Number of Verses?[edit]

Are there 6666 or 6236 in the Qur'an? Google is no help. Melchoir 23:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

  • The number of ayas in the current standard quran (Hafs from Asim) is 6236. There are some other versions of quran like Warsh from Nafi with different aya numbering, and thus with different total number of ayas. However, the 6236 version is the most standard one, as taken by Medina Mushaf. ----Hamid (talk) 03:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirection?[edit]

why does 6666 redirect to this page? 81.82.213.211 (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

google enter this worlds "6666 Ayat Digital Quran" then you will see there is lot of Digital Quran tells that there is 6666 ayat in Quran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astrolog (talkcontribs) 13:44, 30 April 2006
The above comment was deleted by user:Zarrabi in 2008, presumably because it was followed by some external links that looked like WP:LINKSPAM. I just reinstated it because it answers the above question. I also added a mention of this number in the article. However, most sources confirm that the number is 6236; this is the sum of the numbers of ayat currently listed in the article Sura. - Fayenatic (talk) 17:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Redirection has been removed - Shaad lko (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Grammar[edit]

Shouldn't the words "Ayah" and "Ayat" be written with a capital "A" throughout the article, as they are proper nouns? --Wahj-asSaif (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I did a search on Google books, and although many books do use a capital A for Ayah/Ayat, a good number use lowercase, including some editions of the Qur'an and other religious books. I conclude that the capital letter is not necessary. – Fayenatic London 14:37, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
On second thought, yeah! I guess you're right. We don't use capital "V" when we write the word "verse". --Wahj-asSaif (talk) 17:12, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

verse count[edit]

the origin of the claim that the number of verses in the Qur'an is 6666 is a mystery to me, it is apparently mentioned in several books but this is simply not true! the number of verses is 6236 and to calculate the number one needs to have only elementary arithmetic skills and sum up the number of verses in each of the 114 chapters.Kiatdd (talk) 16:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I believe that the origin of this claim is based on a saying: "One thousand (of the verses of Qur'an) contain orders, a thousand contain forbidding, a thousand contain promises, a thousand contain threats, a thousand contain information and stories, a thousand contain lessons and examples, five hundred contain rulings, a hundred contain praises and prayers, and sixty-six abrogating and abrogated verses." I don't have any citation for this saying, just found it on the internet and I also remember our teacher telling us about this. But it seems invalid. Ibn Arabi most probably said that he heard some of his elders say about Surah Al-Baqarah that it contains a thousand orders, a thousand forbidding, a thousand rulings and a thousand reports. So, maybe people mistook this for the whole Qur'an rather than just Surah Baqarah and also mistook "a thousand orders" for "a thousand (verses) contain orders" and the some addition was done over time. Anyway, this all is just my theory. If you're looking for references, I can't help you there, I'm not good at finding sources. --Wahj-asSaif (talk) 22:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I found a source:[1], but why they commented on the number of verses when they could simply count them? Kiatdd (talk) 17:08, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
may be they wanted to say some verses were missing. Kiatdd (talk) 17:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Another explanation: if you count Bismallahs, 113 more verses are added to the number, the result is 6349, still not there. Kiatdd (talk) 17:24, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
even more confusing is the fact that these wonders made the claims some 500 years after the Qur'an was canonized. Al-Zamakhshari is for example an scholar from the 12th century, while the Qur'an was compiled around 650.Kiatdd (talk)

Let me remind you that the number 6666 is not based on a very scholarly research. Apparently there are just a few scholars (like the one you mentioned) who made such a claim based on a saying that God knows from where it came. That saying is not a verse from the Qur'an, and I could not find any Tradition of the Prophet that says so.

Maybe Al-Zamakhshari and others who say the same didn't want to go through the burden of counting over six thousand verses and thought that they had found a shortcut. And maybe someone once tried to count the verses of the Qur'an and made a mistake and got a result of 6666 (it isn't easy counting over 6000 sentences) and as this number appears attractive it became a popular belief among the people.

Let's say that the saying is true, but we know that some (rather many) of the verse do not contain only one topic, so there can be a verse that has an order as well as a praise. And there are some very long verses in the Qur'an which may have a lot of topics in them. So, it is possible that these verses were counted twice or even more just because they contained more than one topic. The saying is that there are 1000 command verses... and 100 verses about prayer and praise..., but this does not mean that there are 1000 separate verses about orders... and 100 separate verses about prayer and praise..., these verses can overlap, a single verse can have multiple topics in them and hence the actual number of verses is well below 6666. It is also well established among notable scholars that the number of verses of the Qur'an is not 6666. I hope this clears. --Wahj-asSaif (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Basmala[edit]

Basmala is a noun or a name for the phrase "Bis-millah-ir-Rahman-ir-Rahim" or simply "Bis-millah" which means "In the name of God". I don't think that Basmala itself can mean "In the name of God". It is just a name for the whole phrase "In the name of God". Just like Takbir, which is a name for the phrase "Allahu Akbar" meaning "Allah is (the) Greatest". --Wahj-asSaif (talk) 22:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)