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Rate of Fire

Kubanczyk, what's your point?

Very few automatic weapons have magazines or belts big enough for a full minute of fire, not to mention that their barrels may not survive that long without becoming red-hot. You are hardly the first one to notice that. Rounds per minute is the accepted parameter used for describing fire rates, it shows up in most articles on the subject. Adding "theoretical" to it is simply superfluous, everyone in the field knows the practical limits. The article was fine, you edits did not improve it. Do you really want to start an edit war over a non-issue? Textor (talk) 12:53, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

First of all, I freak out each time someone reverts my good faith edits. I remember I've read somewhere it is better to try to improve each others' edits, to try to understand other contributor, and to seek consensus. But, to the point. I most certainly agree with you: rounds per minute is the accepted parameter used for describing fire rates. Rates. So, let's make it clear:

• When I say "cannon can fire 160 RPM", this is simply a lie. Right? This cannon absolutely cannot fire 160 rounds in 60 seconds. This would require major design change.
• When I say "cannon fires at 160 RPM", I am vague (as in the original article). I use absolute minimum of words, but certainly some people will understand that correctly.
• When I say "cannon has a rate of fire of 160 RPM", I am right.
• When I say "cannon has a theoretical rate of fire of 160 RPM, although magazine contains only 12 rounds", I am right and I provide extra insight for non-experts. I do it by being superfluous.

I do not assume that the person who wants to consult encyclopedia - and arrives here - is an expert in the field. In fact, I always assume the exact opposite. I assume that the average visitor is smart, 12-years-old kid and write for them. --Kubanczyk (talk) 10:29, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Kubanczyk,

not every good faith edit is also a useful contribution that improves the article in question. It really seems bizarre that you take such offense at the fact that rounds per minute describes a theoretical property that is not easily reached in practice. Manufacturers, users and reviewers of firearms around the World see this differently. They speak of "rounds per minute" all the time, and I'm afraid they outnumber you by a considerable margin. Just what do you expect: that each and every article mentioning the term now be rewritten to accommodate your personal tastes?

This cannon absolutely cannot fire 160 rounds in 60 seconds

It probably could, if you provided it with water cooling, and a sufficiently large magazine. No major design changes would be necessary, just the addition of ancillary parts.

I assume that the average visitor is smart, 12-years-old kid

That wouldn't be by any chance you? Because you sure sound like one. Textor (talk) 14:42, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow. --Kubanczyk (talk) 15:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC)