|BMPT Terminator was nominated as a Warfare good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.
Review: December 23, 2014.
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Should this really be classified as an armoured personel carrier?
22.214.171.124 22:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- No, because it isn't. It's an anti-personnel MBT support vehicle. But my real concern is: Why don't we have a picture of an BMPT? Can anyone source one? Dhatfield (talk) 13:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
- Call me cynical but there are a lot of articles boasting about wonderful Russian military equipment that never quite goes into production... If there are no photographs available ( and last time I heard Russia still has troops fighting in Checnya ) perhaps its because none of these vehicles has gone into production. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
- No, there a few BMPT's producted (to 2010 planned to equip 1 company of BMPT's)
I think the project has been cancelled along with T 95. Check the T 95 page first reference for more details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
According to the "Popular Mechanics"'s source within the industry, both the BMPT and the T-95 are gone, although Kazachstan did order several vehicles as BMPT "Ramka". Also, the "BMP-T" is misleading. Hasn't encountered that dash in Russian sources. It has no relation to the BMP series.--184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:40, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
There was a confusion in article. BMPT is not only using active protection, it's hull has additional armor, either more ERA or more normal armor. This is very easy to see by looking at the weight of the vehicle. 47 tons. Weight of T-90 is 46,5 tons. Additional active protection system complex weighs 1300 kg(http://www.kbm.ru/en/product/aps/arena-e), actual turret of the vehicle can not weigh more than 5 tons, which, assuming turret of T-90 weighs ~15 tons, leaves additional 5-10 tons of armoring that went in to hull (where else?).220.127.116.11 (talk) 04:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)Pavel Golikov.
I am still not 100% sure (even after looking at some of the pictures) whether this vehicle is fitted with a turret or not. The article contradicts itself on more than one occasion. I have therefore changed 'turret' to 'mount'. RASAM (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Some of the wording ("weapon complexes" and "sending units" for example) feel strange to me. I may be unfamiliar with some jargon but I rather suspect that Russian terminology is seeping into the English translation. I modified "weapon complexes" into "weapon systems" but I have trouble clarifying what a "sending units" is. Anyone ? Jean-Marc Liotier (talk) 11:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
- This review is transcluded from Talk:BMPT Terminator/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
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Comments from the nominator
- 1a. Understood. I will be sure to change all of that.
- 1b. That will be fixed when the first round of the review is over.
- 2c. I will be sure to comply with the above. I tried my best to keep OR out of all this.
- 3a. The BMPT was never used in combat. A small number were fielded in a school district around 2005. The only operator is Kazakhstan who haven't fought any wars.
- 4. It's a vehicle that never saw combat and was never adopted by Russia, its lack of negativity isn't unusual. I only found one negative press release about it. I will add it after you finish going through all the major points in the criteria.
BMPT ----> BMPT Terminator
There should be no objections whatsoever. The article of the title should be the common name of the subject. All English sources mention the BMPT Terminator. I don't expect any responses in a week since this article is never busy. If you have objection to the current move, do so within a week. Khazar (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Used in Syria
The BMPT Terminator is used in Syria. You can see the Tank on photos taken at the Khmeimim air base https://southfront.org/president-assad-visited-russian-khmeimim-air-base-in-syria-photo-report-video/ DerElektriker (talk) 05:56, 28 June 2017 (UTC)