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removed 'In The Media' section

I didn't feel it was an appropriate subject to have in the Barrel Shroud article. Perhaps it would be better suited in an article on Gun Control measures, but definitely not here.

And the discussion page that exists for this article suggests that the addition of the In The Media section is politically motivated.

--KickTheDonkey 15:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a particular Wikipedia guideline that you feel is being violated? Many articles have an "In popular culture" or "References in media" section. You need to be more specific than saying the section is not "appropriate".--Daveswagon 20:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it is apropriate to have it in this artical as well. Just because you don't like how something played out on TV doesn't mean it should be removed. MrCynic 17:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Mr CynicMrCynic 17:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then shouldn't there be more 'references' to Barrel Shrouds in the media than just one about a lame congress-critter? It doesn't seem to be balanced at all, and is only included in the article to make a political point. Don't paint me as 'not liking how it played out on tv' just because I see the addition of the 'In The Media' section as being politically motivated.

Perhaps the section should just include:

"The topic of barrel shrouds was brought up during an interview of United States House of Representatives member Carolyn McCarthy by Tucker Carlson in April of 2007. McCarthy, who had introduced legislation that would have banned semi-automatic rifles and pistols that accepted detachable magazines and barrel shrouds,..."

and not anything after it. The nonsense about her not know what a barrel shroud was should be left to an article on gun control, or the congress woman herself. --KickTheDonkey 12:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense?

I agree that this one piece of media reference should be moved to a different article, if kept. It's not a particularly signifigant happening and it's about the same length as the entire article. It is likely however that this page will get a lot of traffic due to the brief attention spawned by the media this is going to cause; so it could be worth keeping in some regard, or kept if the article was expanded. I also just noticed this is a new article, obviously created because of the recent media thing. Do we really need this article? If we do we should include history, uses, etc. Other firearm component articles look like this. We either need a lot of work, or just merge them all into one big article about firearm components. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 17:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a point, I just watched the video and googled "barrel shroud wiki" to come here to find out what it actually is :P Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 05:49, 29 April 2007 (UTC)\[reply]

This is actually a good point. I'd imagine a lot of curiosity about barrel shrouds comes out of that exchange, so it should be mentioned in the article. Though I do agree that the POV language in previous versions of the article is not in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines. 0x539 (talk) 14:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article is wrong

So very wrong. Barrel shrouds have nothing to do with cooling, they are a safety device to cover hot barrels. No modern barrel needs a radiator attached, air cooling does fine. That and there is no real way they could help as most don't even touch the barrel and thus cannot use conduction to help cool the barrel. 58.7.232.34 (talk) 06:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you're so confident, then the solution is simple: Change it yourself. Shreditor (talk) 04:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, can't be assed. I'd have to get sources, completely rewrite it ect. Just letting you know. Incidentally, Lewis gun, look it up. 58.7.232.34 (talk) 00:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected article and added source. 68.146.22.175 (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both of you are wrong. A barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.245.195.239 (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed POV statement

I removed this statement:

The barrel shroud is a feature normally found only on military-style firearms. Its primary purpose is to allow the shooter to grasp the barrel and sweep the weapon from side to side while firing rapidly -- called a "spray fire" technique -- without burning his or her hands. It also helps to stabilize the weapon during rapid firing.

This is POV, straight from the Brady Campaign website. While I have no particular problem with that, the statement is meant to inspire emotion, rather than convey fact. The primary purpose of the barrel shroud is to protect the shooter's hand from a hot barrel - it has nothing to do with "spray firing". A barrel can heat up to the point that it will burn flesh after only a few rounds. SupaDane 00:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, there are a lot of weapons that have barrelshrouds that aren't even fully automatic. Atzel 19:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The function of the barrel shroud is no different than the function of the forestock on any vaguely rifle-like weapon: to serve as a place for the user to hold/stabilize the weapon with their off-hand. Do the gun control whackos think people ordinarily fire rifles one-handed??? — NRen2k5 13:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of Term

Forgive me for asking, but where does this term come from? I used to assume that "barrel shroud" was just another term for "heat shield" (such as air-cooling on some machine guns), but wasn't actually gripped by the user. Is it the combination of a hand guard and heat shield? --UnneededAplomb 00:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say barrel shroud is a generic term for anything covering the barrel to shield the operator. Some firearms are designed to be supported from the hand guard/barrel shroud/heat shield, others are not. It has nothing to do with rate of fire (bolt action rifles will heat up just as easily, and they will never be accused of having a high rate of fire) , but everything to do with safety. SupaDane (talk) 16:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

The gun in the picture doesn't have a barrel shroud. That is a handguard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.78.96 (talk) 05:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A Tec-9 (with a barrel shroud, of course) would make for a good picture.--38.100.3.72 (talk) 19:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I actually added a citation, of which none exist for this article.

Why were my changes reverted? Change them back, and now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.245.195.239 (talk) 22:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Purpose of barrel shrouds

I am by no means an expert on firearms, though I do own a rifle. Is it just me, or is the whole basis and definition of this article wrong? I always thought the purpose of a barrel shroud was to conduct heat away for cooling the barrel in high rate-of-fire weapons, such as those seen on medium machineguns like the MG-34. It couldn't be for a hand-hold, because that's what the foregrip is for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shreditor (talk • contribs) 21:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All this back and forth about the use of them. In some cases like air cooled machine guns they are for cooling and in some cases of compact Semiautomatics or full auto sub machine guns they are used as a foregrip, see the PLR-16 page for an example. The most telling part of the function is the material used. If it is metal it is likely for cooling, if it is plastic or composite it is likely for protection from a hot barrel. 71.112.23.3 (talk) 23:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The barrel shroud generally doesn't come into direct contact with the barrel, and thus won't be heated by it. Metal shrouds work just as well for use as a foregrip as plastic/composite ones. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 07:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On firearms with a dedicated foregrip the barrel shroud is simply to keep the operator from bumping against a hot barrel accidentally. Diraphe (talk) 01:43, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Glenn Beck?

I don't think a pundit like Glenn Beck is a good source, especially from a book titled "Arguing with Idiots: How to Stop Small Minds and Big Government" 209.66.65.188 (talk) 02:48, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]