Talk:Battle at Herdaler

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Name?

Where is the name of this battle coming from? I have never heard of any "Battle of Hirdal". --Drieakko 16:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that the name is based on unverified speculation that "Herdaler" mentioned in the saga would be Hirdal in Ingå. That is unfortunately just one of the many speculations. I'll rename the article as "Battle at Herdaler" unless objected. --Drieakko 17:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the municipality is preparing for big celebrations next year due to this (see link). That is why I named it like this. --MoRsE 18:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, that is pretty much a local invention to map Ingå's Hirdal and saga's Herdaler to each other. Do you have objections renaming the article? Naturally the Hirdal speculation as well as other speculations should be mentioned in the article. --Drieakko 18:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed it now. --Drieakko 07:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finns = Sami?

It's a interesting thought that Herdaler could be Härjedalen. And when remembering that Sami people lived much more southwards in old times (like Härjedalen) and when remembering that in Norway the Sami have often been called Finns or Kvens, then it is possible that they've fought Sami people in Härjedalen. Ostrobothnian 23:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Kvens were actually also located in the northern part of current Sweden, as can be seen from this map of Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Europe_814.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.223.1.68 (talk) 16:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Finns mentioned here could be Sami too. In Icelandic and Norwegian sagas the Sami are generally called Finns, but sometimes they refer Finns proper or Tavastians as Finns too.

That map is confusing - saing that "Finnish tribes" inhabited half of the Northern Europe is like calling the Danes and the Norwegians all "Swedish tribes". The iron age and medieval "Finland" was just the South Western region of modern Finland, old Estonian tribes for example were not "Finnish". Sami was spoken as far as in Central Finland, in southern regions and Northern Karelia of modern Russia. West from Morduins there were Meryans etc. Bolgars and Bashkris were definitely Turkic.

Concerning the Kvens, we don't really know their ethinicity or exact location. Northern Tavastians maybe? We can't be sure. Jmarkusp (talk) 10:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]