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Proposal to delete article

This article should be deleted. It is about the Battle of Beicang for which a much more detailed article already exists. Peitsang (not Peitang) was the old Wade-Giles transliteration of the name of the place where the battle was fought. Beicang is what the place is called now. Either Beicang or Peitsang would be acceptable to use as the title of the article in my opinion. But not Peitang. That is an incorrect name for the battle. The word "Peitang" in 1900 referred to the Catholic North Cathedral in Peking (Beijing) which is now called the Beitang or Xishiku Cathedral and for which an article exists. The reference cited to call this battle "Peitang" is in error. This can be amply demonstrated with dozens of references which refer to the battle as "Beicang" or "Peitsang." In other words this article is mistitled, misleading, and unnecessary. Smallchief (talk) 12:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

this battle is NOT about the one at the cathredral. Edgerton was not referring to either Beicang or the cathedral battle, he is talking about something different. don't assume that they are mispellings. Peitang could be legitimate modern day Pinyin spelling, not a corruption of Peitang of beitang, many places in China appear to have the same names in pinyin spelling but with different characters. see Battle of Beitang.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 19:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

for example, see Dali, there are multiple cities in China spelled "Dali", using the exact same romanization.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 19:17, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your source mistakenly calls the battle of Peitsang or Beicang, the battle of "Peitang." Your source mispelled the name of the battle. That's all. Look at the similarity of details to confirm that. Same location, Chinese had defensive positions on both sides of the river, the same number of Japanese casualties, same outcome....

If you wish to assert that the "battle of Peitang" was different from the battle of Beicang, then provide a date for the "battle of Peitang." Beicang wsa fought on August 5, 1900. When was the "battle of Peitang" fought? Smallchief (talk) 19:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was thrown off by the "60 dead and 240 wounded" casualty mark, I was looking for 300 casualties of the exact same nature when I first compared them.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 20:07, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The confusion about Chinese battles is understandable. Names transliterated into English are often spelled much differently depending upon the source. I confess to not understanding for a long time that Tzu Hsi (old name) is the same person as Cixi (new name). Smallchief (talk) 21:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]