Talk:List of battles involving the Maratha Confederacy

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Good work on creating this one. Info added is good. Could do with expanding the article. --| Shishir Rane | talk | 11:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Add the conquests of Peshwa Balaji Vishwanath, Bajirao I and Balaji Bajirao to the article. I will also try to contribute. | Shishir Rane | talk | 10:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

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Source Starvation

The article is starving for sources. Wikipedia policy states that unsourced can be deleted AT ONCE. I decided to put a citation needed on some places but I can see that it will not work. There are almost no reliable sources here. I am going to be NOT BOLD and wait sometime before I start deleting unsourced material. I am hereby pinging User:New Rock Star and User:Ghatus to add at LEAST a percentage of sources. I will be waiting two days so that you can add sources as I can see that you added the text. After two days I will start removing unsourced Thank you and happy editing. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 17:05, 1 April 2015 (UTC)(P.S you can ask for sources on wikipedia

PoV Pushing

War of 27 Years

Main article: War of 27 years

It was a series of battles. One can not cherry pick one or two battles to push a point of view. It was a stalemate though the Marathas had smaller army than the Mughals. It was a long snakes and ladders war game. Xtremedood is pushing PoV by mentioning two or three battles separately and ignoring all others.

The perfect description is

War of 27 years was a series of battles fought between Marathas and Mughals from 1681 to 1707 in the Indian subcontinent. It was a series of battles. The war started in 1680 with the Mughal emperor Aurangzeb’s invasion of the Maratha enclave in Bijapur established by Shivaji.

The war can be broken down into three distinct phases :

• Marathas under Sambhaji (1681–1689).
• Marathas under Rajaram (1689–1699).
• Marathas under Tarabai (1699–1707).

It was a long snakes and ladders war game involving a quarter of a century and innumerable long and short battles. The war ended with the death of Aurangzeb in 1707. It also paved the way for the Maratha expansion in the North.

On Peshwa Bajirao I and Battle of Palkhed

Source-The Concise History of Warfare, Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery(p.132 for the Palkhed)

On Battle of Gajendragad

Source:-

On Battle of Salher

Source:-

Xtremedood's source

All his inputs are made on the basis of a single source of "Jacques, Tony. Dictionary of Battles and Sieges. Greenwood Press" , the reliability of which is questionable. By the way Xtrmrdood's statement ( 14:58, 6 May 2015‎ Xtremedood ‎ . .‎ . . This article previously neglected victories by Muslim armies. I am adding some as to adhere to NPOV.) itself shows some sort of PoV pushing. Ghatus (talk) 07:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

You have deleted crucial and sourced battles, which clearly violates NPOV. The background is not sourced, therefore it should be removed or proper sources included. Xtremedood (talk) 16:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Improper Sources by Ghatus

Ghatus did not properly cite the following statements:

"Peshwa Bajirao fought over 41 battles and is reputed to have never lost one." Nowhere did I find such a statement. There needs to be proper referencing, not just referencing a book in this manner. "After the Maratha victory in the Battle of Gajendragad in 1787, Mysore ceded Badami to the Marathas and Tipu agreed to pay 30 lakh rupees." - This was a deleted article that was redirected. Also, it is improperly sourced as well. No page number, no additional information, just a link. There is no record of Tipu having to pay 30 lakh rupees after any Battle in Gajendragad. This is a blatantly false statement. Xtremedood (talk) 16:19, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Also the background is not at all sourced: "After a lifetime of guerrilla warfare with Adilshah of Bijapur and Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, Shivaji founded an independent Hindu Maratha kingdom in 1674 with Raigad as its capital. Shivaji died in 1680, leaving behind a large, but vulnerable kingdom. The Mughals invaded, fighting an unsuccessful War of 27 years from 1681 to 1707. Shahu, a grandson of Shivaji, ruled as emperor until 1749. During his reign, Shahu appointed the first Peshwa as head of the government, under certain conditions. After the death of Shahu, the Peshwas became the de facto leaders of the Empire from 1749 to 1761, while Shivaji's successors continued as nominal rulers from their base in Satara. Covering a large part of the subcontinent, the Maratha Empire kept the British forces at bay during the 18th century, until internal relations between the Peshwas and their sardars (army commanders) deteriorated, provoking its gradual downfall.

The Maratha Empire was at its height in the 18th century under Shahu and the Peshwa Baji Rao I. Losses at the Third Battle of Panipat in 1761 suspended further expansion of the empire in the North-west and reduced the power of the Peshwas. In 1761, after severe losses in the Panipat war, the Peshwas slowly started losing the control of the kingdom. Many military chiefs of the Maratha Empire like Shinde, Holkar, Gaikwad, PantPratinidhi, Bhosale of Nagpur, Pandit of Bhor, Patwardhan, and Newalkar started to work towards their ambition of becoming kings in their respective regions. However, under Madhavrao Peshwa, Maratha authority in North India was restored, 10 years after the battle of Panipat. After the death of Madhavrao, the empire gave way to a loose Confederacy, with political power resting in a 'pentarchy' of five mostly Maratha dynasties: the Peshwas of Pune; the Sindhias (originally "Shindes") of Malwa and Gwalior; the Holkars of Indore; the Bhonsles of Nagpur; and the Gaekwads of Baroda. A rivalry between the Sindhia and Holkar dominated the confederation's affairs into the early 19th century, as did the clashes with the British and the British East India Company in the three Anglo-Maratha Wars. In the Third Anglo-Maratha War, the last Peshwa, Baji Rao II, was defeated by the British in 1818. Most of the former Maratha Empire was absorbed by British India, although some of the Maratha states persisted as quasi-independent princely states until India became independent in 1947." Xtremedood (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Point out which data is wrong. That will be replaced.Ghatus (talk) 09:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

References

Orphaned references in Battles involving the Maratha Empire

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Battles involving the Maratha Empire's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Sen":

• From Siege of Bahadur Benda: Sailendra Nath Sen (1994), Anglo-Maratha Relations, 1785-96, Volume 2, p. 55, ISBN 9788171547890
• From Siege of Adoni: Sailendra Nath Sen (1994), Anglo-Maratha Relations, 1785-96, Volume 2, p. 53,54, ISBN 9788171547890
• From Siege of Nargund: Sailendra Nath Sen (1994), Anglo-Maratha Relations, 1785-96, Volume 2, p. 43, ISBN 9788171547890

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 11:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Battles involving the Maratha Empire

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Battles involving the Maratha Empire's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "maratha":

• From Battle of Delhi (1737): An Advanced History of Modern India
• From Battle of Bhopal: An Advanced History of Modern India

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Suspicious editing

There have been far too many socks and POV editors involved with this & related Maratha warfare articles. Given how much this article depends on separate articles for each battle, and how much disruption exists across all of them, I'm inclined to dismiss the use of a summary style in this one, ie: to delete everything which isn't sourced directly here but instead relies on the sourcing in the separate battle articles.

What say you? - Sitush (talk) 09:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. There have been attempts at creating new fake battle articles and adding them on main pages of Maratha people. HistoricPilled (talk) 22:03, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

However, many of your edits are have been regularly reverted. I would suggest being properly sources material and wait for consensus on the talk page before making major or controversial edits. This type of behavior will just end up getting you blocked or topic banned. SKAG123 (talk) 05:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I would also agree this. Many articles about India, especially Mughal Marathas related are regularly vandalized/ edit warred. Many are just poorly written and sourced to begin with. I am also going to go through articles and removed unsourced and POV material, as well as preform regular cleanup.

Unfortunately this is an effect the Mughal and Maratha empire in popular media in South Asia, which have become battleground for various nationalists SKAG123 (talk) 05:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I got you. Keep up the good work @SKAG123 HistoricPilled (talk) 18:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

By the way, someone also reverted back the intro which I was protecting in Bajirao's main page before it was locked, it appears that person is likely using an alt to do this.

He changed Battle of Bhopal and Battle of Palkhed to newly created articles and replaced them in intro which actually mentions highlights of Bajirao's career. HistoricPilled (talk) 18:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)