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I could write a much better article than this[edit]

To me, the description provided here doesn't seem so accurate. I checked a couple of modern dictionaries and found that "boasting" seems generally (in modern usage) to refer to speaking with evident excessive pride about one's accomplishments or capabilities – to prominently proclaim an excessive self-appraisal. In contrast, "ostentatious speech" seems to have a rather different meaning. Perhaps the meanings were a bit different in Noah Webster's day. I think the article should be somewhat reworded to reflect this. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:19, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

"Face": An Islamic Concept of Dignity[edit]

Dignity, Honor, "Face"

Islamic concept - levels & degrees of Face are granted upon birth based upon sex, birth rank, social class; these levels & degrees can be downgraded or upgraded only if that person's social class changes (e.g., becomes Caliph or slave), but cannot be degraded based upon conduct

American concept - dignity is granted equally to each individual upon birth; degrees of honor (character) are assigned based upon social conduct and adherence to moral and ethical laws; prestige is earned by superlative deeds

Accepted Face Practices - Boasting, lying, bragging, exaggerating, hyperbolizing

Slander, vilification, falsehoods, false promises, jeering, scapegoating, viciousness, degradation

For men, who hold a social rank of Human, of themselves deeds and diplomas do not generate honor & dignity and may in fact be used against them in the Islamic game of Face

For women, who hold a lower social ranking of "creature", the reverse is true

Disregarding Islamic conceptions of sexual "virtue" (looking at a man is cause for being stoned to death in Pakistan), the most virtuous wife is one who defends her husband's character regardless of his deeds

A woman's deeds of themselves are worthless unless she is deemed to be this type of "virtuous wife" Isobel Chaveh (talk) 19:58, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

What in the world is this?[edit]

"This is also known as "bragging rights", which are not cancelled out by another individual's objection to said bragging rights. For example, when a young woman allegedly stopped a driver from crossing a railroad track when the train was approaching and there were no visible warnings of its approach, her rights to brag were not thwarted when another individual attempted to dispute the validity of her heroic act."

A contemporary slang expression, "bragging rights" might warrant a mention down the page somewhere but did the perpetrator of this passage completely forget that this article is not about a proper noun or concept and can therefore never be much more than a dictionary entry focusing on etymology? In which case, they have failed tremendously.

Logically as well: I don't know what they are trying to say with this mess of an idea that "bragging" is aka bragging rights and not cancelled out by another individual's objection.'

Does an individual's objection to someone talking about themselves negate another person's right to speak on some planet in this solar system?

Just a complete mess of an article or someone is just trolling us. APDEF (talk) 08:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)