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BP temperament

As I understand it, "Bohlen-Pierce temperament" does not refer to tempered versions of just Bohlen-Pierce tritave-based scales. Rather, it is the name given to an octave-based temperament whose connection to 13-equal BP is that both temper out the same commas. Therefore discussions of 13-equal BP, or other temperaments of just BP, don't belong under that heading.

I find the BP Temperament section rather too terse and difficult to follow, and in particular the casual reader might not realize it's not talking about temperament of just BP. It could use work, by someone more qualified to improve it than I am. -- Rsholmes 03:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On thinking it over some more I decided maybe I could improve that section somewhat, and I've attempted to do so. -- Rsholmes 03:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Math won't work out

I think that some of the discussion on this page is outright wrong. If you divide the tritave (3:1) into 13 equal parts, I don't see how you get the numbers listed here. What's going on here? Cazort (talk) 01:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just Intonation vs. Equal Temperment? --86.138.29.160 (talk) 13:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. Cazort (talk) 19:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC) Ok, I think I finally figured it out; maybe I can now clarify this page! Cazort (talk) 23:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning up...

Took out the "doesn't cite references or sources", as the external links are just fine. In the "alternative tuning" world, BP is a pretty "mainstream" thing. More references and sources should be included, of course. Frank Zamjatin (talk) 13:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested audio

I have added audio examples to the article. Hyacinth (talk) 10:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed that midi audio examples were not playing back correctly on some machines, so I replaced with Ogg Vorbis. Sciurid89 (talk) 5:08, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean? Also, what's with the bizarro keyboard sound on the oggs? Hyacinth (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Minor correction

1200 ln(3^(1/13))/ln(2)=146...cents(the ln(2) was omitted) 151.198.5.177 (talk) 04:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Correction to make

The musical example does not show C G A, but C G C; it does not show harmonics 3, 5 and 7, which would produce something as C A Eb (with 1=F) or G E Bb (with 1=C). – Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 08:16, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not using standard notation: it's using BP notation, which assigns the lines and spaces on the staff differently. Double sharp (talk) 14:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hekt

Why does Hekt--a variation of the name for Egyptian Goddess Heqet--redirect here? Artheartsoul1 (talk) 06:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Justification?

Nearly every system of tuning and/or temperment that I have ever seen given extensive individual traeatment has some easily articulable raison d'être, e.g., Javanese slendro and pellog have lengthy historical precedents; meantone was developed to address certain problems of modulation; Harry Partch's 43-tone just scale allegedly brings important consonances in-tune; Howell's 31-tet system allows multiple temperments to be approximated without sacrificing equal temperment; etc.

The article doesn't seem to address why this Bohlen-Pierce system was developed, nor what the perceived advantages or disadvantages are as compared to other systems.

Simply offering "an alternative to the octave-repeating scales typical in Western and other musics" isn't sufficient to rate a special article -- there are millions of available alternatives, with and without octaves. In fact, an infinite number of tuning systems can be developed within the audio spectrum. If one of them is going to be singled out with a name and an extensive description, some rationale for the development of that system is in order.

Unless such justification can be provided here, this article should be absorbed into a broader, more general article on micro- and macro-tones. 74.95.43.249 (talk) 22:11, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Other Unusual Scales

Is the "Other Unusual Scales" section necessary in the article? I think it might be better suited in a general article on microtonality/xenharmonic, since they don't seem notable enough to deserve their own article, but are still additional examples of non-octave scales.

I'm with you on that. Motorizedtrees (talk) 13:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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