Talk:Boy (Erasure song)

Merger proposal

As this page has long since been flagged as maybe not meeting Wikipedia's notability guidelines for music: Wikipedia:Notability_(music) (it's short, has little to say about the song), I propose the main details be merged with Union Street (album). If no-one objects and can't argue why it shouldn't be merged (assuming anyone's paying any attention), I'll perform the task in due course. Please discuss here. Opwerty (talk) 21:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I was most definately going to agree about merging but as it seems, the single charted in Denmark - 07/04/2006 - #17 for 1 week so it meets notability: [1]. I'm sure there is more info about the song out there that can be added to the article. Ajsmith141 (talk) 07:48, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

At first I was going to agree, but having re-read the music notability guidelines, I'm now not so sure. A position on a chart anywhere in the world is certainly an accepted criteria for notability for musicians and ensembles (which Erasure 'the band' pass with flying colours), but in the section on albums, single and songs, the emphasis is on the need for "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". It also states "Most songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article." I don't see many reasons for 'Boy' to rise above Wikipedia's notion of 'most songs'. With that in mind though, I'm less certain about going ahead with a merge, because I think under my own interpretation of the 'rules' there are a lot more Erasure entries for songs that maybe don't meet notability guidelines! Like some of the non-chart eligible releases for instance. Opwerty (talk) 16:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

That's true, from the look of the guide, it states "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts are probably notable." Even the one chart position makes all the difference, the only thing is finding more information for the song, perhaps a section based on the original Cowboy version as well - if there is enough information to cover it.Ajsmith141 (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Managed to miss that bit! But you're right. I think maybe I could be over-analysing the guidelines too - thinking about it, it probably says "most" songs are NOT notable because 'most' songs are just album tracks and not released as singles, and I guess some people want add articles about every track an artist has done. 'Boy' WAS released as a single and did chart somewhere, so i guess could be considered 'notable'. Still not 100% convinced it is, so I'll leave the merger proposal for now if that's okay, but won't rush into acting on it anytime soon (I'm fairly new to making Wikipedia contributions and I don't want to get a reputation as a vandal!) Opwerty (talk) 11:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem, the basic rule for songs is as long as they charted somewhere then it counts as notable. I created an article quite a few months ago on a single that was only released in Germany, peaking at #49 there - so as long as there is a charting then there can be an article. Of course you are right that most songs count as the album tracks, b-sides etc. You are doing some excellent work on the Erasure articles. Ajsmith141 (talk) 17:06, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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