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I removed the statement 'Kisuke Urahara from the manga/anime Bleach wears a bucket hat.' The anime/manga character was already mentioned in a previous paragraph. Antifornicator (talk) 05:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
- OK, taking note that most of the article is filled with alternate names for this particular chapeau, I deleted "fishing" and "beanie" from the first sentence. I don't think that either of those names are any more notable or widely used that any of the other alternates in the article, so unless a strong defense is made for moving them to the top, they should either be left out or added as items in the article. They could also be used in disambiguation. Enjoy. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:57, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Still sourcing issues, working to improve
I've amended the start and tried to introduce some references. I'll be adding more but there is an awful lot of unsourced material that should come out unless decent references can be found (not sources that borrow from the Wikipedia page as that looks to be happening). I can't find any evidence so far that the hat is Irish in origin and we need a very solid reference for that. Note also I've amended importance to Low on fashion project – this is as per other similar pages...it's a hat. Libby norman (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Irish origins question?
Information about the bucket hat being Irish in origin has been reinserted. I can't see any evidence from the reference source used alongside it that this is the case. I don't think we should continue to say it's Irish in origin unless we have a solid reference which says just that. Would welcome comments and discussion here and/or a solid reference on the article. Libby norman (talk) 11:09, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- I have now removed the reference to the hat being Irish for the time being as the reference used to support it was a New York Times article about a Scottish traditional outfitters and made no mention whatsoever of bucket hats, Irish or otherwise. We need strong and precise evidence before reinserting the claim of Irish origins. Libby norman (talk) 09:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
There's not much on the internet, but try these links. The tweed version of the bucket hat has been known as an Irish Walking Hat or Irish Country Hat since the turn of the century. These were originally woven from unwashed wool, because the lanolin made it waterproof:
http://www.sndct.com/ww/magazine/bucket-hat https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=O-MCAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA61&dq=tweed%20irish%20walking%20hat&pg=PA61#v=onepage&q=tweed%20irish%20walking%20hat&f=false https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GeEDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA83&dq=tweed%20irish%20country%20hat&pg=PA83#v=onepage&q&f=false
- Thanks Osama57. I think these are interesting but not convinced they are strong enough sources to make it stand becauuse they are adverts. The first from Syndicate could easily have borrowed material from the Wiki page; the second two (both same source Norm Thompson) doesn't really say where they were invented but says where its versions are manufactured. I think there may have been/or be a bit of glamour in attributing to Ireland – but an advert has less weight than, say, an entry in a book on the history of costume, because in an advert there's an intention to attribute glamour/authenticity to product so purple prose creeps in. Intrigued though as this keeps popping up, so will keep on looking for solid sources. Libby norman (talk) 09:22, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Totally invented and missattributed origin
The Irish hats, fishing hats and other examples bear no resemblance to a bucket hat. Those hats are instead obvious antecedences of the "bush hat" or "giggle hat" which were adopted as part of the uniforms of various militaries during WW2 and after, notably the Australian army during the Vietnam war. A truer origin for the very particular style of the bucket hat with its distinctive downward sloping brim are the uniform hats of the US navy. The upward brim could be turned down when needed, turning it into a bucket hat. example: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/ozoneocean/16730307_10206251653608773_6612178912430387908_n_zpsysznis7e.jpg Famously this style was worn by Bob Denver in his role as Gilligan on Gilligan's island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozoneocean (talk • contribs) 17:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC)