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Wow, that was a long time ago. Remember being hung-over driving up the night before from OC. A lot of people had just parked their cars on the freeway and roads and I guess they were surprised when the cars had been towed. We had some beer & wine, no drugs but there wasn't anywhere you could go that there wasn't the smell of weed. Remember to this day when "Smoke on the Water" started. It was just starting to get dark and the good year blimp was overhead and people were shooting bottle rockets at it. Visions of the Hindenberg flooded my mine. Kind of neat to be part of rock history at it's end by being one of the many.

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Scott Lifeshine is a delusional troll. Please delete his text.

This guy is pretty "delete happy." He is one of Lifshine's internet enemies. The fact remains that Lifshine's promotion of Cal Jam, his website, his coining of the term "wereo" (a reference to Cal Jam) have all eclipsed the actual event. Hence the above poster's obsession with silencing Lifshine.

I know nothing of this dispute, but I do know that "known to have the only copy" is both false and unprovable. If you claim this guy is notable give him his own page (and let the debate go there) but it doesn't belong here. Also, please sign your comments. Jgm 12:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Good point. I will do that and reference the Cal Jam from his page. I apologize. I am a novice at this so any advice is appreciated. My name is: SquidHammer

      *** I WAS THERE IN 1974 ***

DROVE THERE FROM COVINA IN MY 1952 CHEVY SEDAN DELIVERY WITH MY 8 TRACK ROCKING OUT MY SWEETIE RIDING SHOT GUN A BIG BAG ,2 HITS OF ACID AND A PICKNIC (IN THOSE DAYS WE COULD TAKE STUFF IN) GOT THERE,GOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SPEAKERS (E.L.O. HAD 4 CHANNEL) AND PROCCEDED TO GET 8 MILES HIGH

ALL WAS GOOD..THE WAR WAS OVER..NIXION WAS IN HOT WATER

WE WERE HIGH & ROCKING OUT.......FU*K I HATE THE FUTURE

            BE GOOD & DON'T GET ARRESTED,
                 ROGUER OF MEDFORD, ORYGUN

I can't remember for sure but I believe there were a dozen of us, Two Vans and a 74 T-bird. We all came from Vegas. 206.248.73.8 17:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)JWe got there at like 3:00a if I remember correctly. They were not supposed to open the parking lot until 5:00a. Because of the turn out already that they had to open early. I think we were doing 'T'. Not PCP, "THC". 'T.H.C.' Delta 9, on the chemical chart. T.etra H.ydra C.annabinol. The drug of the day back in LV back in the '70's "Wow, what an era!" "It was 'Boss or cool or far-out or bitchin or groovey'and you were a 'Blood or bro or chick.'" ha-ha I remember playing frisbee when we first arrived. We set-up camp I would say about 1/3 of the way back from the stage. "Played frisbee at California Jam? Right!" Yeah we did. It was still night so we spread out blankets, "Laying down on the grass and each others feet, or whatever." We were trying to occupy and save or reserve an area that vanished when the music started! If I remember right we woke up to Rare Earth. Wow, far-out and solid! I was 16. Me and my bud Mike were the only teens in our group. These were my Eldest brother and his chick and my youngest sister and her old man and my brothers friends all from Vegas. When we all woke up where we had been playing frisbee was solid people. "Too much!" Mike and I were good at getting around due to our size and age and length of hair, I think. I remember the lines to the porta-potties were like twenty feet long. Fortunately the furthest back johns were all the way against the fence so being a male had it's advantages if you went around behind them. I remember one awesome thing happening to me on one of our excursions to the toilet area. I stepped right on this guy trying to crash and he sat up and it was Mike's and my best friend, Pete from school and the hood back in L.V. We had all been friends since the fourth grade. The "Pillow", he was laying on was a bag full of lids he was selling. Dime bags, "Three fingers" ha-ha So we all freaked out! "Too Wild!" Back then there was commercial reefer, hash, peyote, & Thai sticks. "I loved T and Thai and that was pretty much it. I didn't like trippin that much. Speed and downers were a rare event for me too! I had a history of doing bad trips on acid. So, everybody else was flyin but me. Between the Acid and the Mescaline they were each in their own little world. I remember when the Eagles came on Sky divers bailed out over us and came flying in. We brought ice chests so we never went through the dehydration that was going around. Choppers flew in over us and dropped empty 1 gallon plastic jugs that we could take and get them filled from the water wagons. We're talking about a half a million bodies sharing the same space and time together. Compared to Woodstock or Monterey Pop it was the most peaceful controlled festival. Going in and coming out. With no major incidents with exception of the vehicles getting towed away because they were forced to abandon them where they had to stop. We knew when they were letting everyone in early that it was going to be massive. "And it was!" ELP closed the show. It was the first time they had used the 'Swing'! It was where the grand piano elevated off of the floor and began turning over and over and over as he played on it. "Far-out!" We left during their production however, along with about half of the crowd from the whole day. It has to be one of the most memorable and exhausting events that I've ever attended. Being a kid in Vegas back then you could see a concert a month for $5! "Pretty cool!" It was handy living in the Entertainment Capitol of the world in the '70's! Those were the days. I have to give my brother credit for organizing our time going there, being there and, getting out of there without problems. We didn't carry the EMPTY ice chest all the way back to our safely parked cars though. "Oh well, bummer!" ... Not! Later man, Ivan206.248.73.8 11:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)206.248.73.8 17:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I was 16 yrs old & got to see this awesome concert for free. One of my high school buddies & I traveled up from San Diego to his Dad's place in Riverside. We got our tickets through his Dad in exchange for sand blasting his swimming pool (9 layers of paint...LOL). It was definitely the best concert I've ever been to. Between the sound system, the light shows, the sea of hippies all co-mingling w/o incident was unpresidented! I may have been too young & missed out on Woodstock, but it was just as good if not better, only with fewer bands (unfortunately). Too bad no-one has ever compiled all the footage & made a DVD yet. Now that would truely be a collectors item! Ahhhhhh....the memories of southern Cali concerts back in the day! Take care all, Dave Katz

The last jam[edit]

In 1974 I was a college freshman at UNLV and had become obsessed with rock music since about 1969. The early 70's were a different time abnd place. A tab of acid was 2 bucks and a lid was 10 bucks and a concert with a solid lineup was less than 5 bucks. We bought their albums and their other assorted paraphanalia and they actually had a consciense then. Now they have to figure every angle to "harvest" a nickel out of the fans.

People seem to forget what a bummer this overblown production turned out to be.

For instance: With almost a quater million people showing up they were short of facilities including parking. People jammed the freeways and left their cars parked where they were stopped and went to the festival only to discover to their chagrin later that their cars were towed. There were not enough toilets or water stations. It was an early spring and it heated up that day and there was no shelter. People were sunburned and vomitting. The music was loud and distorted. By the time the main acts showed up people were too wasted to acutally enjoy. Everything was expensive and cheesy. They finally started handing out water because of the crowds of people being treated for heat exhaustion and when it got cold at night people started burning bonfires using the plastic containers that the water came in which creates noxious fumes when it burns. It looked like an example of humans behaving badly or Lord of the Flies part II.

A few years later I heard about the Doobie Brothers golf event in Arizona. It was no longer about creating and performing music. It became the industry that people have arrived when they can sell out.


Roguer's memory is a little diffrent, as I stated we had a picnik basket, we had water & wine + food, some folks are not to bright, they are american kids, everything has been there for them. well I was in the U.S. army 68 - 70 and learned to take care of me & mine. We had a GOOD time I have also been to 40 Greatful Dead concerts. hey, I saw a Doobie Brothers in Ashland, OR last year at Britt outdoor theather and it was ok, I freaked out some old farts (my age) cuse I was smokeing Oregon green....then they remembered..its a DOOBIE concert. any how I am sure there were some BAD scenes at the California Jam, I never saw them. I did get heat stroke as I was so high I lost me hat..it was my own mistake and nobody made me do it. Also we left as the last band played on... as we came early and left b4 the crowd. plan b4 so your time is fun.

                       stay in the groove,
                             Roguer

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Karn Evil 9[edit]

I think you mean 2nd impression... that's the one with the piano... both the 1st impression (parts 1&2) as well as the 3rd impression are Hammond organ as the main keyboard voice. Wamnet (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Who Were the Promoters? Where are they now?[edit]

Don Branker I know is still around Central California and still rockin! There are some others deserving a nod. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.128.151.63 (talk) 07:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

This article has so many problems - I have to change it[edit]

First off it's not objective. Clearly a deep purple nut came in and wrote this. How could deep purple be the best selling group since '72? That's ambiguous language. if you want to say they sold more units in '73 than anyone else, you may be right, but find the evidence first.

Also there is no such thing as a virtuoso performance. A virtuoso is a person.

the person who wrote in the ELP set list is not thinking. That's just what was released on DVD.

Also Emerson wasn't playing karn evil 9 or anything while the piano was spinning. A piano can't function upside down. I believe a tape played.

I had written much of this article in an objective fashion that was more informative about ELP's and Deep Purple's performances before this. I am going to revise it again. This is written like a diary entry: "Now not to mention ELP." It is subjective and ambiguous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alsamar3 (talkcontribs) 21:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed on the Deep Purple issue. This article really isn't about California Jam; it's about Deep Purple. 76.174.152.175 (talk) 19:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I remember the concert![edit]

The concert was fun! I was 14 years old at the time. Went with about 6 or 7 people. Just remember getting there around 10pm the night before, parking the car in a dirt type of field, then walking into the concert with a endless weaving in and out of people who were already sitting down or trying to sleep. Seemed like we walked forever that night then we finally found a place to sit down. By the next morning, when the sun came up, we could see the stage which appeared as a small object way in the distance.

Between us and the stage was a sea of people...literally. Imagine 200k plus people all sitting down in a grassy field( Well kind of of dry brown grass). The, many, many sound towers spread throughout all of this massive amount of people were huge! The sound was great! Sounded like a great concert even though we could not really see anything happening on the stage.

A few things I remember in particular, was when I left my group to start walking towards the back of the crowd where the porta-potties were, they had vendors there selling fresh fruit so I bought a large 5 dollar box of oranges at 25 cents each and turned around to head back into the crowd carring 20 oranges. After walking for about the same amount of time headed back into the crowd, I suddenly realized that I had no way to find the group I was with. At the same time of this realization, I looked to my right and about 15 yards away was the group I came with = Seemed almost like a miracle that I found them.

While walking back I also accidently stepped on one person who shouted at me, so I threw them an orange, and they smiled :) What was also wierd too was I walked past a person who I hadn't seen since the 6th grade from about 3 years earlier and they shouted to me.

Well, the concert was on a clear blue sky day with the heat beating down on everyone, and like someone said, empty plastic water jugs were passed around to everyone there...it was one thing to get a jug, and then even more work to get them filled with water! Well, guess what happened at the end of the day when the sun started to set? Have you ever seen 200k people heaving partially filled water jugs into the air before? Haha, it was one of funniest sights I have ever seen. Looking out across this sea of people was a growing sea of flying partially filled water jugs sailing in every which direction. Literally as far as you could see was hundreds of these jugs being thrown into the air...I ducked for cover to avoid being hit in the head.

Fun times and happy memories. WikiUserInfo (talk) 16:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

"California Jam" or "Cal Jam"?[edit]

I have always heard this concert referred to as "Cal Jam" -- never "California Jam". That's how it's referred to, for example, in Edward Macan, Endless Enigma: A Musical Biography of Emerson, Lake and Palmer, pages 330-33, 560, 615, 616, and 644. And the great Los Angeles D.J., Jim Ladd, refers to the concerts as "Cal Jam" and "Cal Jam II" -- never as "California Jam" -- in his book Radio Waves: Life and Revolution on the FM Dial (pages 226, 227, 228, 230, 231, 232, 263).

On the other hand, Marley Brant, Join Together: Forty Years of the Rock Music Festival has a chapter entitled "California Jam II" (but no chapter on the first C.J.) -- but the people he interviews often call it "Cal Jam" and "Cal Jam II" (e.g., p. 143).

Can anyone verify what the official name of this concert was? Can anyone verify what name was used in the marketing and advertising? Can anyone verify what name the fans and attendees used when talking about the concert (before and after the event)? — Lawrence King (talk) 20:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

It's been a couple weeks, and no responses. Any objections to moving this page to "Cal Jam", and mentioning both names in the introductory sentence? — Lawrence King (talk) 02:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The event was originally promoted as "California Jam" - "Cal Jam" may be a nickname it picked up in some circles, but the current article title is the correct one. See | the original promotional announcement from the LA Times, the | original poster, the title card from the broadcast, etc. etc. Jgm (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay. I kept the page where it was, and added "Cal Jam" as an alternate name at the top. Based on my research, it seems that within California, it was always called "Cal Jam" when speaking of it (thus Jim Ladd's book uses that term exclusively), but the further you get from California the less often the name was abbreviated. In any event, as you point out, the official name was "California Jam". — Lawrence King (talk) 23:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

COI edits and editor[edit]

All these edits Here done by This Editor, about himself. Blatant COI Mlpearc Pull My Chain Trib's 02:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I edited out the references to Scott Lifshine on May 1, 2011. I believe I helped to make the article more neutral this way. Pennsylvania56 (talk) 23:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)Pennsylvania56Pennsylvania56 (talk) 23:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Amplifer explosion[edit]

I don't think that was a mishap. I think Richie wanted that to happen. :-)

Thinkingamericanist (talk) 02:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I worked on the video footage for the BBC Video release and the band's manager, Tony Edwards (lovely man) told me that the speaker cabinet was filled with petrol fumes and rigged to 'explode'. So I think that story is true.

Delverie (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2014 (UTC)