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Should probably be moved to List of colonial era nobility of South Carolina (and completely rewritten). Eluchil404 18:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

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In time, this should become an extensive entry, that should include the law, both colonial American and English on the subject; a listing of known "baronies"; the definitions of both "landgrave" and "casiques" (many varied spellings) in the context of colonial South Carolina nobility; in novels there are at least two classical fictional "cassiques"

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This article should not be moved because there is a huge difference in an English Casique and a British Royal. Moving the article to a Colonial Royal section would be historically confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.89.105.188 (talk) 00:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

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This is a really interesting article. Their is a word in Spanish "cacique" that sounds the same. However, in Mexico and Central America, as well [I have read] in the Caribbean the term means local political leader or strong man. It has a slightly distasteful connotation, as in a man who rules by force. It is easy to speculate about the possible transference of an indigenous Latin America/Caribbean term to a ruling class in South Carolina. In pre-colonial times their was a good deal of commercial intercourse between the Carolinas and Mexico, Central America, Northern South America, and the Caribbean. Would someone know about how South Carolina received the term?

PLEASE DO NOT MOVE THIS until it is clear that it fits somewhere else. It may well be unique to South Carolina due to trade routes, etc. it would be very interesting if someone could explore that.

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Anybody who can do a better job: please do so. Please define and explain British vs. subordinate Carolina Cassiques, and define earlier Native American Cassiques; if any known by name, please add in subordinate seperate roll. The Hon. Francis Yonge, Lords Propietors Surveyor-General of the Bahamas, Carolinas, and Georgia, had much land but I have never seen him titled Landgrave or Cassique which surprises me. If he was either; please add. His son was the Hon. Henry Yonge, Sr., Loyalist, H. M. Surv-Gen of Georgia; in his Loyalist Claims called wife Mrs. Christian Bulloch Yonge a "rebel", she getting much of his sequested estates and the sister of Partiot Gov. Archie Bulloch of Georgia. By wife Elizabeth Bellinger he had Maj. Henry Yonge, Jr., Loyalist, H. M. Attorney-General of British East Florida, who as such annulled the indentures of 1,000 wrongfully enslave New Smyrna Beach, Fla., Menorcans, and with Philip, commanded a company of them at St. Augustine, Fla. Henry Jr's plantation is now Ormond, Fla., it's Public Library on Yonge Street. Brother Capt. Philip Yonge, Jr., also banished by publication "upon Pasin of death" should they return to Ga., was H. M. Surveyor-Gen. of Ga. He wed Christian Mackenzie, daughter of Capt. Wm. Mackenzie, in 1775 H. M. Comptoller and Collector of Customs, Sunbury, Ga. William's brother George, was Third Earl Cromartie, Cromarty, Scotland, untill attainted in the Jacobite Rebellion. His daughter Lady Mary Mackenzie wed two or three prominent Georgia men; one being, I think, Arthur Middleton, Signer? Earlier, Lisborn, Portugal, Francis Yonge was His British Majesty's commissioner of ordance for the fortification of Gibralter. Philip's daughter Eliza Claudia Yonge, wed Bank of Cape Fear officer, Richard Bradley, Jr., of Wilmington, and is alledgedly buried (as Mrs. Fleming) at now "Airlie Gardens" (not then), Bradley's Creek, Wrightsville Beach, N.C., once the site of the Bradley summer home. Son-in-law Stephen Jewett, IV, is buried there also; he wed Lucy Anna Bradley; great grandparents of Edw. Yonge Wootten, my late grandfather. Jim Miller, Southport, N.C. Anyone who can do a better job, please do so. I'm total amature. Please feel free to delete this note. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Focusoninfinity (talkcontribs) 02:41, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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