Talk:Celebrimbor/Archive 1

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Is Celebrimbor the last direct descendant of Fëanor? What about Fëanor's son Maglor who survived the First Age. The only mention of his fate in Quenta Silmarillion is that he never came back among the elves. --GingerM 14:52, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Precisely, so nothing is known about him. He dropped out of history, so Celebrimbor was the last descendant of Fëanor in recorded history in Middle-earth. Jordi·✆ 14:57, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

But then again, I forget where, it is stated that Maglor is the most likely of Feanor's son to have had a wife and children. Thier names were just not recorded.

From The Peoples of Middle-earth, p.318: "Others who were wedded were Maelor (Maglor) and Caranthir." Double sharp (talk) 15:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Ambiguous colloquial expression

The phrase, "captured in the sack" is either colloquial or refers to a story element that should be expanded.

Do you know what it means to sack a city? That's what happened to Eregion. Double sharp (talk) 03:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

A lot of what is said here is just wrong

In Tolkien there is nothing said about the descent of Celebrimbor, only that he was one of the Noldor (as he dwelled in Eregion). Nothing is there to say, though obviously he was one of the "elven smiths" that forged the great rings, that he was in league with Annatar, alias Sauron, or even believed him in any way. I find this article misleading, to say the least. In a few snippets by Tolkien it is implied that Celebrimbor was descended from Feanor, but that is not the point in this article as it stands. Celebrimbor didn't forge the Rings, he was one of the elven smiths that forged the rings, and he didn't do so in league with Sauron, but at his instruction, and the ones who knew Annatar's mind, or suspected it, kept their work secret in their hearts, and never revealed that they made the great rings, but Sauron, knowing the craft of ringmaking made the one ring to rule them all, so no one could fool him anymore; but without his ring, to which Sauron bled most of his power, he couldn't be anything but a shadow, or a human controlling force. That's why Sauron used only ground forces, humans and orcs and some trolls, and not dragons and balrogs. He couldn't. He was weak without his power that was in the ring, and Morgoth had been banished beyond the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.239.101 (talk) 00:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

On the first point: Chapter 19 of The Silmarillion makes his descent clear – "In that time Celebrimbor the son of Curufin repudiated the deeds of his father, and remained in Nargothrond..." Double sharp (talk) 10:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

(This was actually an editorial interpolation, but one based on J. R. R. Tolkien's marginal note in one of his copies of The Return of the King stating that Celebrimbor was the son of Curufin.) Double sharp (talk) 13:31, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Creation of the Elfstone or Love for Galadriel

There is nothing in here that states he was possibly the creator or the one to recreate the Elfstone. It also says nothing of his love for Galadriel. Can anyone help me expand this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.245.32.210 (talk) 14:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Rings

The article says that Celebrimbor created 16 rings, 7 for dwarves and 9 for men, but that isn't right is it? They where not created for the other peoples, they where taken after the destruction of Eregion and given to the dwarves and men by Sauron, or am I mistaken? GimliDotNet (talk) 11:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

While it is correct that Celebrimbor, with the help of Annatar/ Sauron, created 16 rings, and then went on to create three more on his own (for a total of 19 in which he took part) it would be incorrect to insinuate that he had no intention of having these rings parceled out to the dwarves or to men— Celebrimbor THOUGHT he was creating rings of power as tools of beneficial purpose for the entire world— he had no intention of creating 9 rings "for mortal men" that he would then keep or 7 for dwarves that he would also keep or hand out to other elf lords. That Sauron delivered these rings to their respective races was only an act of expediency on his part (as at that point Celebrimbor had discovered Sauron's purpose and been killed). The nine and the seven were indeed created for men and for dwarves, but they were NOT "created" (on Celebrimbor's end, anyway) as the traps they turned out to be! Until Sauron forged the One Ring, Celebrimbor was completely fooled... And the One Ring was forged last. KDS4444^Talk 23:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

That doesn’t answer my question. Celebrimbor created the rings, and after his death the rings were distributed to Dwarves and Men GimliDotNet (talk) 19:29, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Shadow of Mordor

Celebrimbor is the wraith that appears to Talion in Shadow of Mordor. 154.20.96.226 (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Celebrimbor is a Wraith who was once an elf. He was deceived by Sauron into making the Rings of Power and The One Ring. He then stole the ring, made an army of orcs and uruks. He fought Sauron and lost the One Ring. He was banished from death and became a Wraith. He is now allies with Talion and (SPOILER ALERT) Set out to make a new ring. SkyrimGaming (talk) 01:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Celebrimbor's birth

The article says, '... it is likely that he was born after the exile of the Noldor, in Middle-earth', but how could he be born in Middle-earth if his mother refused the exile and stayed in Valinor ('The Shibboleth of Feanor')? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.146.111.59 (talk) 14:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Origin of name?

Is he named for Nuada Airgetlám? Given Tolkien's ... awareness(?) of Celtic mythology, it seems pretty incredible that he wouldn't have been aware he gave a character the same name. Are there sources discussing this kind of thing? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:30, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Minor character

Basically, fandom aside, Celebrimbor is just in Lord of the Rings to give a bit of "depth" (Elrond tells of the forging of the rings, Tolkien makes up an elf-smith to do the job). I suggest we just redirect this (there's precious little to merge) to Rings of Power. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

This ended up being kept, through discussion on other talk pages, with a lot of work on the Adaptations, as well as solid secondary sources on the Real-world origins. Thus, despite the rather thin characterisation by Tolkien, there are now 17 good secondary sources, and we have a surprisingly substantial article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:49, 28 January 2022 (UTC)