Talk:Changi Prison/Archive 1

Contradiction (Accuracy of figures)[edit]

The figures given, which imply 140000 deaths, are blatantly incorrect: contemporary estimates gave 850 out 87000 dead. [1] Plenty more perished on the Death Railway etc, but that was outside Changi. Jpatokal 13:24, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Looking at this article, I think the assertion that "Compared to the conditions in most Japanese POW camps at the time, Changi was comparatively comfortable" although arguably true is misleading. The prison camp is notorious and surely some more detailed mention of the conditions experienced is needed to balance this out a bit.

How could Nick Leeson have been one of the "prominent detainees" when he was born in 1967? The detainees were relased *decades* before he was even born!

According to the information in this article, the King Rat (1962 novel) page contains a wildly incorrect figure for the number of survivors. Please discuss this on the King Rat talk page. -- Sakurambo 桜ん坊 18:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Psst — if you actually read the article, Changi Prison is still operating today. (Not in the same buildings though.) Jpatokal 19:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Van Tuong Nguyen[edit]

Van Tuong Nguyen should be mentioned --Philtime (talk) 21:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ABC reporter[edit]

Add recent controversy regarding the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) Asia correspondent's arrest over drug charges? -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs 09:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article needed on Changi prisoner of war camp[edit]

This article briefly covers the Changi prison of WW II, but I think a much fuller coverage of the camp is needed. I propose a new article titled Changi prisoner of war camp, leaving this article as is, but going into much more detail of in POW camp article. Comments? Smallchief (talk 17:13, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the information on this article is quite confusing about this. It may also provide a way to better cover the information about civilian detainees who were later on moved to the former military command centre at Sime Road.^[1] Cambridge Digital Library has just added a digitised archive collection of original material relating to the civilian internment, which would provide some resources/information/citation for this. Irisbox (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Voices of civilian internment: WWII Singapore". Cambridge Digital Library. Retrieved 17 August 2017.

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This report is astonishingly shallow and sanitised about the Changi years under Japanese administration during World War II.

No external link is offered to the searing reminiscence "Naked Island" -- a million-seller -- by former inmate Russell Braddon (an Australian soldier).

Even though the English artist Ronald Searle has his own page elsewhere ia, no mention is made in the Changi page of his drawings of Japanese atrocities while he was imprisoned there, even though those pictures, and his pen-and-ink identification drawings of the Japanese guards were used in post-war war crimes commissions. No mention is made of the outcomes of these trials -- which are historical fact and surely needed.

Plentiful evidence remains available to establish that Changi was one of the worst POW camps in world history. This page's breezy rating of conditions on the ground that they killed fewer inmates than died in other places, is an insult to history, and to wiklipedia's good name.

Tis part of the page reads as though written or edited by Japanese government officials.

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Prison and prisoner-of-war camp[edit]

Well, this is all very confusing. The section "First Prison and POW Camp" attempts to distinguish Changi Prison, in which, during World War II, "the Japanese military detained about 3,000 civilians", from the nearby prisoner-of-war camp at Selarang Barracks, which held "some 50,000 Allied soldiers", and which is sometimes referred to as Changi. Yet the top photo (right) is clearly taken in a purpose-built prison building, and shows "Allied prisoners", all male and all seemingly of military age. Comments/clarification? GrindtXX (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The photo is probably allied civilian prisoners that were interned in the prison. This, and the distinction between the military and civilian PoWs, isn't explained particularly clearly in either the photo or the article... Have just added an external link to a recently digitised archive in Cambridge Digital Library about the civilian internment which will provide plenty of resource to perhaps help better explain this https://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/collections/civilianinternment Irisbox (talk) 11:19, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Women's prison embroidery[edit]

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[1] "Voices of civilian internment: WWII Singapore". Cambridge Digital Library. Retrieved 17 August 2017.

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