Talk:Charizma

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This article shouldn't be deleted. You state "no claim to notablility other then he was murdered. never even released and album". First of all I've been listening to Charizma and Peanut Butter Wolfs album "Big Shots" for years, since it was released in 2003. So there was an album released. Charizma was a skilled MC and died before his time, he should be remembered as such. Charizma did before being murdered. Just leave the memory of Charizma alone. 216.127.159.122 (talk) 07:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

according to the article itself. he released a couple demo's.. never charted. and its wholly unsourced other then the fact he died...and even that is not in a news source. releasing an album does not even make you notable.. releasing one that charts does. this article make no claims as to notability. -Tracer9999 (talk) 14:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just because an album doesn't make the music charts doesn't mean it isn't notable. Most albums released on independent record labels don't chart. If you deleted every article on a musical artist who's album(s) didn't chart you'd end up deleting half the music related articles on Wikipedia. Virtually every underground rapper that has an article on Wikipedia hasn't charted but are still considered notable. Some underground rappers, like Papoose, never even released an album (his tracks were only on mix tapes) but are still considered "notable" enough to merit a Wikipedia article, so why single out Charizma? 216.127.159.122 (talk) 01:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I expanded the article and added several references which hopefully settles the issue of notability. I strongly feel this article should be included in Wikipedia. Charizma was an influential MC in the Bay area and the first Bay area rapper to be signed to a major label. His posthumously released album received several positive revues, including Spin magazine, articles in the Metro paper and SF Weekly and made it to the number 3 spot in CMJ Magazine's (a popular college music magazine) hip-hop chart, which in my opinion constitutes notability. BobbyPyn (talk) 09:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is important to the article on "Stone's Throw Records", since Charizma was basically the reason for its existence. Stone's Throw Records is known around the world in alternative hip-hop, and is its most well-known label, being the label for JDilla and Madlib. That makes Charizma notable, as it completes the info that was presented there, and with Peanut Butter Wolf. But anyway, my main point in writing this was that there is an issue with Charizma's age. One line says this: "He was only 15 when he met 19-year old Chris Manak, also known as Peanut Butter Wolf, in 1990". But then in the bio box it says he was 20 when he was killed in 1993. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.160.17 (talk) 19:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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