Talk:Charles Koechlin

Correct name?

can somebody confirm koechlin's name? some sources call him charles louis eugène, others charles-louis-eugène... --Lenthe 13:41, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Charles Louis Eugène, without the hyphens, is correct. The entry needs comprehensive upgrading. --Cenedi

however, the Πin his name was correct. the digraph is not interchangeable with oe in French (if I'm not mistaken?). the article's title should be koechlin to reflect the most common spelling in English, the first line should reflect his exact name. --Lenthe 7 July 2005 15:52 (UTC)

KOECHLIN, Charles (Louis, Eugène) should be used. The spelling used in the (large) family, even in French, does not include Œ nor œ. Please note that we pronounced it KÉKLIN with the same vowel sounds as in pépin.

Marc LERIQUE, grandson of the composer and representative of his family.

Composer project review

I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is B-class; its biggest problem is that it needs a serious copyedit to improve its (apparently translated) English. The works list could be completed, and the article would benefit from addition sources and inline citations. My full review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 19:14, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I just read it, and I saw little that suggested translation from another language. Indeed, a lot of native-English Wikipedia articles suffer from over-writing and clumsy expression. (I occasionally fix these.) More attention needs to be paid to these. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 16:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

What is a parody?

"The twelve tone technique is one of the several modern music styles parodied in the Jungle Book symphonic poem..."

The word "parody" can mean something as simple as "reuse", as in "Handel parodied earlier works when writing Messiah". In modern usage it suggests satire or burlesque. The writer should clarify which usage is meant. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 16:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Lilian Harvey?

It seems bizarre to refer to Lilian Harvey (born in Hornsey, England) as a Hollywood star, when the bulk of her career took place in Germany Quevedo (talk) 16:33, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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==Composers Project Assessment of Charles Koechlin: 2009-02-23== This is an assessment of article Charles Koechlin by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described? ok ===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? ok ===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? ok ===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article. List is incomplete; listing from French WP should be copied here. ===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)? Style is discussed; reception is lacking. ===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.) Article has images; no sound. ===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references? Article is single-sourced. ===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.) Article appears to be a translation; needs copyediting to improve. Lead is short. ===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review=== Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE) Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD) Article prose needs work (WP:MOS) ===Summary=== This article provides a reasonable biographical and musical overview of the subject. It describes his life and work, and provides an overview of his musical style. What is missing is any significant critical or public appreciation, including historiography on why he might not be better known today. The works list from French WP should be copied here; his works list should also include a bibliography of his writings, especially if any are still in print. The article's writing needs work. It appears to be a translation (I'm guessing a long-ago fork of the French WP article). It needs copyediting, including a better translation or explanation of words like "examiner", an academic position I'm unfamiliar with. The article is also single-sourced -- this is not necessarily bad, but effort should be made to gain a diversity of sources. Article is B-class, but it needs work. Magic♪piano 19:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

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