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• After winning the case to conduct fireworks at shabarimala,Ratnamma Panickathy and her sons from Cheerappanchira at Shabarimala with Travancore Police.jpg

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Origin - Dispute

As per the recent addition ,[1] The origin of this family is changed to Kadathanad which is solely interpreted from certain vedio references in non english language . However whole of the the main written sources which are published by the same media houses and others do not even mention this anywhere. This is violation of WP:VIDEOLINK and WP: Verfiability Preferring alleged interpreted , content or claim from multiple non- english vedio sources , while the written and verifyable do not support this . Interestingly the alleged content was added and was removed multiple times due tonlack of a relaible source (even one ) . Bilgiljilll (talk) 09:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

points : The alleged content added is not present in any (atleast one ) written sources, the sources by the same media houses also have COMPLETELY avoided the alleged conversations . Multiple vedios are required to verify(wheather possible or not) the claims and interpretations . Regarding the vedio(in non english language), claim that different words are said during certain timelines (one at this timeline and one at another timeline in another vedio, as per you said ) , so can that proves the entire interpretation (3 paragraphs) which is completely absent in all sources (my main concern is relaibility) ?? WP:VIDEOLINK clearly states if it is solely available only online in a youtube video(as per you claim) where there is no formally written edvidence , it is inappropriate . I throughly did check the all of the written sources by the 'same media house' and it is not even(or anything related to the claim) are present there. My question is ,this is regarding the history of the family (as per the addition) and why this is completely absent in all those sources???, that too published by the same media houses  ??? Also i wonder how non english youtube vedio interpretations are entirely preffered for the whole arguement, when multiple written english sources are available , (i)that too to make changes regarding the 'history' or origins, (ii)that too when this is completely absent in sources published by the same publishers (both) and in all other sources .Interestingly the same claim was removed by multiple editors starting from Dec 2016 onwards. (can check the references and sources) WP:Verifiability WP:VIDEOLINK. Bilgiljilll (talk) 09:27, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Verifiable written sources other than regional youtube vedio. Also the same news house published written sources where the link to kadathanad is nowhere mentioned.

• https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/swami-pura-all-prepared-to-receive-sabarimala-pilgrims/articleshow/55395891.cms
• https://www.asianetnews.com/amp/kerala-news/cheerappanchira-family-claims-that-the-chembola-related-to-sabarimala-temple-was-taken-to-the-supreme-court-decades-ago-rojijj
• https://www.newindianexpress.com/magazine/2015/jan/24/In-Memory-of-a-Warrior-Deity-709189.html
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLfTaqMCK8
• ചീരപ്പൻ ചിറ മൂലസ്ഥാനം: മാളികപ്തമ്മ പിറന്ന നാട്, സ്വാമി അയ്യപ്പന്റെ കളരി ഗൃഹം" B.
• "In Memory of a Warrior Deity"

Bilgiljilll (talk) 09:36, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan , plenty of english sources are available here (mentioned already ) where as noone of them (even one) mentions or supports the claim related to this origin theory . What do u think with regards to WP:VIDEOLINK and WP:Verifiability ? link to this page is added in multiple pages such as kalarippayattu ,kalari etc . Bilgiljilll (talk) 09:50, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Those videos are not RS, and the NIE-article is questionable too. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 13:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)