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Charts

Hello! I was wondering if I could include other charts for the song 'Cherry on Top,' such as iTunes and charts from other international countries where the song is available on Spotify and iTunes? Royiswariii (talk) 11:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure about that since both iTunes and Spotify are listed under WP:BADCHARTS. I also don't see iTunes and Spotify being listed under charts of other song articles. AstrooKai (Talk • Contribs) 11:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
I read the WP:BADCHARTS and i confirmed that Spofity and iTunes is in the bad charts. Well, that's kinda disappointed and unfortunate. Royiswariii (talk) 11:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
If you have reliable sources stating that the song charted on other countries, then you can place them under the Commercial performance section, as mentioned by @Freedom Wall. AstrooKai (Talk • Contribs) 11:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Alright this is noted.
Thanks for that information @Freedom Wall and you too @AstrooKai. Royiswariii (talk) 11:51, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
If you mean under the Charts section, then please check list of record charts as a guide for which charts to use. As far as I've seen on various articles, sometimes, notable achievements in Spotify, etc are added to the Commercial performance section. Freedom Wall (talk) 11:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Good Article Nomination(?)

I'm planning to nominate this article to Good Article since it was citated properly, it complies on Manual of Style. However, there is a detecion of copyright on Copyright vio Detector which is maybe or maybe not immediate rejected on GA. I also nominate my own article Dilaw (song)

I'm inviting @AstrooKai and @Borgenland to be co-nomination on this article. Also, i'm inviting @Acrom12 (article creator) to participate on this GA nomination. Royiswariii (talk) 13:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Royiswariii! Thanks for considering nominating this article for GA. I see you are concerned about potential copyright violations of some of the article's content. After checking the article in Earwig's Copyvio Detector, 16.0% similarity was detected which I think is within the acceptable range. Similarities this small cannot be avoided since there will always be a similarity when using a source.
Other than that, no other concerns exist in the article that fall under WP:QF. However, I think the article still needs to be expanded in aspects of some sort before nominating it for GA. This will also give more room for improvement when the article is nominated. SB19's GA song "I Want You" may be used as guidance in improving this article. AstrooKai (Talk • Contribs) 15:22, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
I agree that this article should be more expanded. Since it needs more content, I suggest nominating it or just both nominate for WP:DYK. Royiswariii (talk) 03:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Same as Astro. Tbh I do not have experience in GAN and Bini is also my first major foray into something beyond my usual WikiProjects. Borgenland (talk) 14:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
You can read the Wikipedia:Good article criteria. I've been familiar with the GA criteria since I nominated my article Dilaw (song) (which is currently under review). I think it's easier to achieve GA status than FA. But I think the first article to achieve GA status was Bini (group).
So what do you think? Royiswariii (talk) 14:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
It is indeed easier to promote an article to GA status than FA since promoting an article to GA is the first step in promoting it further to FA.
As for Bini (group), I initially planned to have it nominated for GAN since May 2024, which is why I have been actively working on the article since then. Having it be nominated for GAN was my initial goal, so I guess you can say that the significant contributions of mine were part of that process. AstrooKai (Talk • Contribs) 14:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
I will nominate the article Bini (group) maybe after my article Dilaw (song) evaluated or just tomorrow. I will acknowledge you (@AstrooKai), @Borgenland and @Acrom12 (article creator) as my co-nominator, Is that okay? Royiswariii (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
For Cherry I think it's OK, for Dilaw it needs more verifiable and independent sources and some sentence restructuring to make it sound less WP:NEWSPAPER and WP:FANCRUFT. Borgenland (talk) 14:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
As one of the significant contributors of Bini (group), I'm not sure if it's ready to be put up for GAN. AstrooKai (Talk • Contribs) 14:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Let's give it a shot, we will see the evaluation if there's wrong and we can fix it as soon as possible. Royiswariii (talk) 15:02, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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GA Review

Unsuccessful. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 23:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator: Royiswariii (talk · contribs) 01:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: TheNuggeteer (talk · contribs) 10:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Reviewing this for the GA criteria. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 10:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Sadly, I don't think this article fits the GA criteria, because of the complete absence of sections. You can resolve my issues before re-nominating. But you should be careful when re-nominating.
  • The lead should have an additional 100 words.
  • Background should be longer, you can add the groups activities after 2023.
  • Is there more information on the recording? There are only two sentences about the recording, which does not help the current situation.
  • Add more information about the lyrics, I see no information about the lyrics.
  • Please put Promotion and release after Composition.
  • You can list the personnel on a specific section called Personnel, which can be put above charts.
  • Are there any certifications awarded to the song? I honestly think a 50-million-viewed video should have some certifications.
  • I suggest merging Commercial performance to Critical reception.
  • I see two YouTube sources meant for sourcing the promotion, is there any news articles about the promotion to replace the original?
  • You can use the template {{Single chart}} to cope the charts.
  • to great fan anticipation. This may not meet the NPOV.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 23:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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GA Review

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Passed by RFNirmala Royiswariii Talk! 02:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Nominator: Royiswariii (talk · contribs) 11:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: RFNirmala (talk · contribs) 10:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. Grammar and spelling is well so far. Writing style is nearing encyclopedic tone.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. Will put this on hold (the lead) while some parts are being reviewed for expansion. Called as good!
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Some sources direct to YouTube (some even primary). Use a news source. Two sources refer to Spotify, which falls under a primary source Done!
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Done!
2c. it contains no original research. Citations provided and are WP:RS.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. Seems no violation so far.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. The content itself does provide relevant info about the song. Feel free to add any info backed up by a WP:RS.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Lead section must not only emphasize YouTube views and charts. Remove the Spotify sentence as it is not used anywhere Done!


4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. "...amid significant fan anticipation." might not need WP:NPOV Done!
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. No edit war or dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. No violation and properly attributed, correct me if I overlooked
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. You may add subtitles (lyrics) to the audio sample. Done!
7. Overall assessment. Some improvement points still needed, will wait for another reviewer.

First time reviewer here, so you can protest what I wrote. Will lean more to a peer review. Some of the first GA nomination feedback weren't still done. Some feedback I'd like to highlight rather than repeat their points:

  • The Background and info on the Recording can be expanded. The single sentence would be inadequate for a reader with no prior knowledge on Bini.
  • Details about the lyrics would be a good addition.
  • The table and sentence in the Agnes Mo remix is repetitive. Prose may be a better option.Done!
  • The Portugese reference (and any foreign-language one) would need a translation.Done! Check MOS:REFLINK for wikilinking in the reflist.

If there's any misunderstanding I made (I'm sure there are), please inform me. It's my first time to do so. RFNirmala (talk) 10:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @RFNirmala! I appreciate you reviewing this GAN. However, I want to notify you that the nominator, @Royiswariii, has been blocked on October 29, 2024, and cannot respond to this review nor edit the article. The details of their block can be viewed here. They can still reply on their talk page, so you can communicate with them there. Best regards, AstrooKai (Talk) 10:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
@AstrooKai: that's incredibly unfortunate. With the nominator blocked, it's very likely that this should be quickfailed; cc @RFNirmala Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 11:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
If there's someone willing to take over the nom though, that would be better. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 11:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
I may be able to address or take over on this nomination since I'm one of the active contributors on this article, though it is up to @Royiswariii (the nominator) to decide if they would allow me. I guess that can be asked via their talk page since they're still reachable through there. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
@AstrooKai In enwiki processes like GAN where timeliness is of utmost importance, I doubt you will need permission; no one owns an article after all, and anyone is free to improve them. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 04:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
I understand. I will try to address the issues highlighted in this review to the best of my ability and in a timely manner, as I am also dealing with some real-life matters on the side. AstrooKai (Talk) 08:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi again, @RFNirmala. I have removed the table and the infobox in the remix section and added an English translation for the Portuguese article title. I will try to address the others later once I have available time. May I also invite some of the significant contributors to this article, @Acrom12 (article creator), @Freedom Wall, and @Borgenland, to help improve this article when they have time? AstrooKai (Talk) 02:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
@AstrooKai Thanks! Nice one. Some reviewers might look for more content (e.g. the lyrics), but for me, the article's scope is good as is. RFNirmala (talk) 03:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Speaking of lyrics, there are no reliable sources that discuss the song's lyrics and meaning. While this is a good addition to the article, there are no available references to support it. AstrooKai (Talk) 05:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
@AstrooKai Sure, I'll take a look and see what I can help with. Freedom Wall (talk) 06:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks! Feel free to ask if you need anything. AstrooKai (Talk) 06:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Hey, Wall! About the remix, would it be more appropriate or feasible to put it under an "Agnez Mo remix" subsection in Cherry on Top (Bini song) § Promotion and release? Because in the chronology section of the song's main infobox, "Cherry on Top (BiniMo Remix)" is linked to a now-removed section, the remix section. Creating the subsection would allow for a better linking of the song in the chronology section. An anchor may also be an option if this is not feasible; what do you think? AstrooKai (Talk) 07:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi! I just saw this now. I don't think the remix is notable enough to have a sub-section unless it gains significant traction. Most don't. I also removed the remix from the chronology section. From what I've noticed, remixes aren't really considered new singles in the first place. Freedom Wall (talk) 09:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
I see. Thanks for correcting it! AstrooKai (Talk) 16:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
I expounded on the context in the Background section and added a short blurb about the lyrics to the Composition (now renamed to Composition and lyrics) section. I'm not sure what else to add since we're lacking new sources, but feel free to let me know if you need anything else! Freedom Wall (talk) 17:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, Wall! I appreciate your big help. I'll let you know if anything else is needed. AstrooKai (Talk) 21:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
@AstrooKai and all editors subscribed, I updated the table. As a peer reviewer, I think this is nearly ready to be a GA! But, this is my first GAN review, so let's wait for another reviewer.
  • I also recommend adding web archives to every reference. I ran the article through IABot, so we'll have to spot-check the references and archive links.
  • The article's scope is generally satisfactory. The lone sentence in /* Background */ may be merged, but I find no problem in leaving it.
  • I suggest putting /* Music Video */ beside /* Composition and lyrics */. Did WP:BOLD
  • I have another main issue: refs 24 and 26 use Spotify as a reference. Ref24, which is about the single pack, ha no WP:RS coverage, from my Google searching. I suggest removing it, since they're just tempo changes. On the other hand, ref26 and even its archive doesn't verify the claim. It just leads me to a homepage. Please search a WP:RS.
Still, good job on expanding and revising the content and keep it up! Sorry for being quite inactive, I was busy in academics, but I can still continue editing, don't worry. RFNirmala (talk) 02:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I have removed refs. 24 and 26 as you suggested since there are no WP:SECONDARY sources that can corroborate them. For the lone sentence in the Background, I guess it has been separated since it differs from the topic that the first paragraph covers, which is the success of Talaarawan. AstrooKai (Talk) 04:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello, is there any update on this review? I haven't heard anything from this since 6 days ago. I am concerned this review might have been abandoned. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello, AstrooKai!
I couldn't find any review for the lyrics of Cherry on Top, but I found a one review last night but I'm skeptical whether it's credible or not. But the content of the review article is a little bit off to me or just me lol.
You can check it the review. Royiswariii Talk! 12:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
But for me it's fine since i do GA Review on some songs, but I'll leave to RFNirmala the decision if they will exception to passed on GA or not. Royiswariii Talk! 12:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, @Royiswariii! I have checked that review and found it to be a WP:BLOG. The review is entirely based on the author's point of view of the song, which not only is an unreliable source, but also fails WP:UGC. AstrooKai (Talk) 17:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello @AstrooKai and @Royiswariii. I was on a wikibreak, and had to drop editing for some time.
For my own reading, the content is satisfactory and passes the 6 criteria, but I need a second opinion. I'm glad to help in making prompts to improve the article, but I'm not yet confident on whether Cherry on Top (Bini song) can be a good article.
Moving status to 2nd opinion. RFNirmala (talk) 14:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi @RFNirmala! Apologies for not knowing you were on a wikibreak. I see a second opinion is still needed, and that's fine. At least the status of the review has been updated now. Thanks again for taking the time to review this article. It's highly appreciated. AstrooKai (Talk) 18:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Drive-by comment

@RFNirmala: I want to quickly draw attention to criteria #6, that media are tagged with valid non-free use rationales. Per WP:SAMPLE, a non-free audio file can only be 10% of the song's original length at most; thus, a song with a length of 2:55 can only have an audio sample of 17.5 seconds. The current one is 28 seconds long, which is better than the previous 40-second cut but still not good enough. I had already brought this to Royiswariii's attention back during their first nomination of this page, but it appears that it has gone unresolved and should be cleared up first. Leafy46 (talk) 20:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Leafy46. I have addressed this issue and uploaded a new version of the sample, a 12-second cut, which should be in compliance with WP:SAMPLE. In addition, I have updated the file's non-free use rationale to be more informative. If anything else needs to be fixed in the file, please let me know. AstrooKai (Talk) 00:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
@AstrooKai: Looks good to me! I know that at the FA level there tends to be a greater level of explanation required for including an audio sample, but this looks just fine for the GA level. Leafy46 (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello, AstrooKai!
Sorry for not responding due to my blocked reason but i'm now unblocked. Is there anything to fix it to pass on GA? Thanks. Royiswariii Talk! 02:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, @Royiswariii! I'm glad to know that you're finally unblocked. For the article's GAN, you can check the Nugget's feedback from the article's first GAN and see if their suggestions can be implemented. @RFNirmala also listed above the things that still needs to be accomplished. If you need help on anything, feel free to let me know. AstrooKai (Talk) 05:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Is it 2c are passed? I'm confused if its passed or not Royiswariii Talk! 06:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
I have fixed 2c in revisions 1255880349 and 1255882809, the table is just not updated. I think 3b still needs attention. Wall added some brief details about the song's lyrics but still needs more information. However, as Wall mentioned, there are not enough sources that dig into the lyrics of the song. But you can try and see if there is some information from reliable sources available for this that we overlooked. AstrooKai (Talk) 08:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Royiswariii! 2c is now resolved since the Spotify references are now removed. Still, I saw the archive links on Philippine Daily Inquirer weren't working, such as this. Edited the table, and most of the points are on-check. The rest can be passed if another reviewer agrees. I find this ready to be GA. But, I will wait for another reviewer to agree with my GA review. RFNirmala (talk) 09:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello, @RFNirmala. Sorry for intruding on this particular problem. I replaced the broken archive with https://archive.md/9wm7h from archive.today. I tried re-archiving the source earlier but it still archives it incorrectly (bunch of gibberish codes), so I used archive.today as a replacement. This can be replaced back with an archive from archive.org once it correctly archives the source. AstrooKai (Talk) 12:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
No worries! Other Philippine Daily Inquirer sources still have the gibberish code. Using archive.today is okay; I can help in replacing it with archive.org days later (or when it's now resolved) RFNirmala (talk) 12:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Oh. Only the Philippine Daily Inquirer sources do that? That's strange. Let me fix them. AstrooKai (Talk) 13:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Actually, come to think of it. These archives worked properly before. I don't know why they started to become like this. Should I proceed with replacing them all? They might be just some issues on Internet Archive's end and may be fixed later. It would be a tedious task if it were reverted back to IA after being fixed. AstrooKai (Talk) 14:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
My bad. You don't need to replace them. There's no disadvantage in using archive.today - I could get to it some time after, but no need for others and you to revert back to IA. RFNirmala (talk) 14:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Second opinion from Dxneo

  • At first I noticed the audio sample in the infobox. I suggest you move it to Composition and lyrics section, you should use this template:

{{Listen
| filename =
| title =
| description =
| pos = right
| format = Ogg
}}

  • Add alt text on cover image.
  • ITunes, Spotify and YouTube numbers are not that important, why are they in the lead?
  • Ref2, 26, 29 and 31: websites are not wiki linked.
  • Ref9, 30, and 31: URLs they are not archived.

Since this is a second opinion, this is all I got. dxneo (talk) 12:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dxneo! Thank you for your second opinion, I notify you once I move to Cherry on Top (Bini song) § Composition and lyrics. Royiswariii Talk! 13:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Dxneo! Added wikilinks, alt text, and archived refs9,31. Somehow cannot archived the Apple Music source (ref30). I'm not sure why we should change the audio sample template, is it because the sample is non-free (WP:SAMPLE)?
I can remove the iTunes etc. numbers, but it would remove an entire paragraph. We can try expanding content so we can have additional content on the lead.
@AstrooKai, @Royiswariii, in case you aren't subscribed. RFNirmala (talk) 13:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
That's the template I often use so that's why I recommended it. For the lead, you can also critics, and a little bit of Promotion and release. This is a short article that could use a bit of reconstruction and trim.
  • "Another teaser later released on Instagram featured the group singing in their signature bubblegum pop style, with lyrics that describe them as sweet and spicy, embodying the phrase "Cherry on Top"." should be on Composition and lyrics, but for some reasons it's on Promo and release.
  • Reduce use of "the song" and "the single", "the single" is even worse.
  • "On October 3, 2024, Bini collaborated with Indonesian singer Agnez Mo to release "Cherry on Top (BiniMo Remix)"" ===> The remix version featuring vocals from Agnez Mo was released on October 3, 2024. remember to keep the prose concise and precise. This can also be added in the lead since it had something to do with the launch, sorry for not going into detail.
I have brought short articles to GA, articles like "Truth or Dare", and "Trust Issues", which was written in about 3 days. If the section is short, merge with another short section. On "Truth or Dare" I combined Composition and chart performance. I'm telling you this because I think you should too. Only a suggestion. What do you think?
The audio was moved to Composition and lyrics so  Done. I will leave to my colleagues editors AstrooKai and Borgenland to see this and if their have thoughts. Royiswariii Talk! 13:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Another teaser later released on Instagram featured the group singing in their signature bubblegum pop style, with lyrics that describe them as sweet and spicy, embodying the phrase 'Cherry on Top'. was placed under under promo and release because it was a teaser. Although, a rephrased version of this line may be added under composition and lyrics as an additional detail for the lyrics (but retain it under promo since it was a teaser). What do you think? AstrooKai (Talk) 15:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Promotional may be added on promo but as for the sound, lyrics and composition, they belong to composition and lyrics. dxneo (talk) 16:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
 Done. The prose may benefit from additional copyedit as I'm not quite confident if I integrated it smoothly to the Composition and lyrics section. AstrooKai (Talk) 18:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Good, now you may move on to the other issues. dxneo (talk) 18:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello everyone!
I tried to archive the ref 30 manually on Internet Archive, it was successful but the problem is the screen of the website wasn't good. take a look at this archive. Royiswariii Talk! 01:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Check this archive.today one: https://archive.md/Dt4Qo . Has the people involved, but not their pictures RFNirmala (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, i see that too, we can use that. Royiswariii Talk! 02:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
It's fine just like that mates. Streaming platforms don't really matter that much because there are thousand ways to verify their content. dxneo (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Let me know when you are done addressing the remaining issues, then I'll gladly pass this (if the initial reviewer doesn't in an hour). dxneo (talk) 02:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Just thought about this, wikilinks and archiving in the citations are optional and should not affect the article's GA passing since its only a matter of formatting (wikilinks), plus, it's not in WP:GACR6. For the iTunes, Spotify, and YT numbers in the lead section, you may ask @Royiswariii. AstrooKai (Talk) 05:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Like I said, archiving is a must for GA/FA. Articles can be removed or deleted at any given time, as a result, your work will be viewed as original search. Stay on the safe side mate.
  • Wiki link are just to make the article look neat, well organized and professional. This is GA, everything has to look good. You should see the table the initial reviewal pasted above.
  • As for prose, wordings like "the song" and "the track" are very discouraged. It's better to the song title or it, without losing your way of course. I just had a failed Featured Article because of this kind of writing.
  • It was released as a digital single on July 11, 2024, through Star Music. ===> It was released on July 11, 2024, by Star Music.
  • While you're at it, find me a source that states that this song was released by Star Music, because all I can see is that it was released by ABS-CBN Film Productions, Inc. You also did this on the Release history, which is a product of WP:OR.
  • "Cherry on Top" is a bubblegum pop song produced by Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones, along with compositions by Boy Matthews, Gaby Ramirez, Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones. It was created during a writer's camp in 2023, with Bini members Colet and Maloi participating in the songwriting process. where is the source supporting this?
  • … along with compositions by Boy Matthews, Gaby Ramirez, Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones. prose is not okay and why is "compositions by" and "written by"? There's a difference between a lyricist, composer and songwriter. By the way, Apple Music says that they are songwriters.
  • If I were to conduct a full review, this might result in a fail, because why are the Credits and personnel not fully written? Eight people provided lead vocals, but I cannot see them listed anywhere.
  • Again, is there a reason why the primary artists, songwriters and producers are not in the making of the song in Background section?
dxneo (talk) 09:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
  • I don't understand how not archived references constitutes WP:OR.
  • Wikilinks do make articles look neat. However, it is not stated in the GA criteria that these are required. Furthermore, GACR6#2b states that the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation must be followed, but other aspects of MOS are not required.
  • This has been partially addressed by RFNirmala.
  •  Done
  • ABS-CBN Film Productions, Inc. is the film division of ABS-CBN; they release films and series, not music. Star Music is the music division of ABS-CBN, and Bini (the artist of this song) is signed under them. Sources do not explicitly mention the song being released through the music label since it is a WP:COMMONSENSE that the group is signed under them (Star Music is commonly known in the Philippines as the music division of ABS-CBN). Furthermore, sources usually phrase it as "BINI released..." instead of "Star Music released..." since the group as a whole is more familiar among Filipinos (considering their current stardom).
  • The source that supports this is Ref#11, which can be found in the Composition and lyrics section.
  •  Done
  • The eight people you're referring to are the members of the group. It would be redundant to individually list them all. If you look at the credits and personnel of this another Filipino song titled "I Want You" (which is a GA), you will see the the members of the group SB19 are not individually listed.
  • Information about the making of the song is already included in the Composition and lyrics section. It would be redundant if we would duplicate it or repeat it again in the Background section, right?
AstrooKai (Talk) 11:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I agree, I read the WP:OR and there is no rules or stated that required archiving as well as GA/FA unless it will discuss this with the administrators to change the rules of WP:OG. Archiving the sites just helping to not have a link rot. I don't know if this is a unwritten rule.Royiswariii Talk! 11:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Well, I tried my best. I'll leave the rest to the initial reviewer. [Medxvo, what would you have done in this situation?] dxneo (talk) 12:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
It's okay. I appreciate you taking your time in checking this GAN. AstrooKai (Talk) 13:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Dxneo: thanks for pinging me. I've given the article and the review a thorough read (to understand what is happening here), and I have some points/suggestions to add, and I hope they're helpful.
  • The archiving and wiki-linking should be done whenever possible to provide consistent formatting, but there's no point to still be arguing about them since they have been done already
  • I think it's fine to add the social media achievements in the lead, since they are sourced in the article to reliable sources and they seem notable
  • There are several reliable sources that call it a "single", I have no idea why this isn't included in the lead and why we're saying "standalone digital single" instead. Even Bini said that it's a single themselves
  • This source, which is used in the article, seems to confirm that Bini are under Star Music, so perhaps it can be used in the article to confirm that the song was released by Star Music. Saying that it's WP:COMMONSENSE isn't really a valid argument when there's nothing in the article stating they're under Star Music
  • ""Cherry on Top" is a bubblegum pop song produced by Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones, and was written by Boy Matthews, Gaby Ramirez, Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones" - a suggestion is "A bubblegum pop song, it was written by Boy Matthews, Gaby Ramirez, Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones, and it was produced by the latter two" to avoid repitition
  • "two weeks later" - two weeks after what?
  • "the second pre-release single" - the second pre-release single after what? perhaps "second" can be removed here
  • The track length currently isn't sourced anywhere in the article (the Apple Music source can be used for that)
  • I think the accolades section should be placed before the personnel section. It can even be placed as a sub-section under the critical reception section
Overall, the article seems good to me and I don't see any other issues, I think it can pass soon and I think most of AstrooKai's justifications above are fine. Kudos to the editors who have been improving the article, best of luck! Medxvo (talk) 14:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
  • There are several reliable sources that call it a "single", I have no idea why this isn't included in the lead and why we're saying "standalone digital single" instead. Even Bini said that it's a single themselves
    •  Done. I'm not sure why it was called "standalone digital single", probably to emphasize that its a digital and solo track release.
  • This source, which is used in the article, seems to confirm that Bini are under Star Music, so perhaps it can be used in the article to confirm that the song was released by Star Music. Saying that it's WP:COMMONSENSE isn't really a valid argument when there's nothing in the article stating they're under Star Music
    • Apologies for the WP:COMMONSENSE. However, the source you linked does not explicitly say that Star Music released it. It only states that the group is under the music label, which may fail WP:FULLCITE. Honestly, it's difficult to search for sources that explicitly say that Star Music released it since majority of the sources phrase it that the group released the song.
  • ""Cherry on Top" is a bubblegum pop song produced by Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones, and was written by Boy Matthews, Gaby Ramirez, Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones" - a suggestion is "A bubblegum pop song, it was written by Boy Matthews, Gaby Ramirez, Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones, and it was produced by the latter two" to avoid repitition
    •  Done.
  • "two weeks later" - two weeks after what?
    •  Done, it happened two weeks after the song's release.
  • "the second pre-release single" - the second pre-release single after what? perhaps "second" can be removed here
    •  Done
  • The track length currently isn't sourced anywhere in the article (the Apple Music source can be used for that)
    •  Done, added it to the Composition section.
  • I think the accolades section should be placed before the personnel section. It can even be placed as a sub-section under the critical reception section
    •  Done, moved the Credits and personnel section below Charts and moved Accolades above it.
AstrooKai (Talk) 15:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Good work, @AstrooKai. I actually tried to find any source that explicitly says that it was released by Star Music, and the source that I linked was the best thing I could find. I think any source must be added since it's currently WP:OR. The source that I linked says that they are under Star Music, and also says that they're releasing "Cherry on Top", I think the source seems good for now? Medxvo (talk) 15:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I agree. Where should the citation be placed? AstrooKai (Talk) 15:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
""Cherry on Top", along with its music video, was released on July 11, 2024" on the promotion and release section can be paraphrased to ""Cherry on Top" was released on July 11, 2024, by Star Music; its music video was released on the same day" and we can add the citation there. What do you think? Medxvo (talk) 15:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I think the music video part can be omitted since its common for songs or singles nowadays to have music videos, and that it is not that relatively significant to be mentioned. In addition, I don't see this kind of practice on some song GAs.
If we would proceed with this, then I guess the ABS-CBN News reference cited in that part can be replaced with that from GMA News to also eliminate the fact that it's a primary source (same network and not independent from the group). What's your take? AstrooKai (Talk) 16:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Ooops, wait a minute... this version, which is in article, isn't the same as this version, which has the label details. So sorry for the confusion. The latter, this one, has the label details and should be the one to be added. And for the music video, I think it's fine to include its release date since it's sourced and also has its own section. Medxvo (talk) 16:19, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Alright. I also forgot that the music video section exists, lol my bad. I will do this in a minute. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Addressed this. This is all I can do on my end for now. I will let the nominator, @Royiswariii, take-over and proceed. AstrooKai (Talk) 17:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Best of luck to both of you, hope my comments were helpful and hope the article can pass soon! Medxvo (talk) 17:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. You and @Dxneo's inputs have made this GAN gain significant traction. I will now let @Royiswariii take-over. Best of luck! AstrooKai (Talk) 17:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Another thing missing is the Credits and personnel section. In the digital liner notes they were credited individually as lead vocals, shouldn't it be that way here? dxneo (talk) 16:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
If we would follow this logic, the article I Want You (SB19 song) should have listed the individual members of the group in the Credits and personnel since the members are also individually listed in the digital liner notes [1], but they didn't and the article got GA status.
It is true that the digital liner notes list the members individually as the vocals, but shouldn't we instead follow a more concise and alternative way when it's available? AstrooKai (Talk) 16:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I also think they can be included individually, since maybe in a few years there will be some changes to the Bini members (new members, past members, etc). The template {{div col}} can be used if the list is going to be too big. This is not a big deal anyways. Medxvo (talk) 16:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I agree to Medxvo. Bini contract will expire on 2027, and Aiah wants to explore new path or chapter of her career too. Royiswariii Talk! 16:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. The argument of Aiah considering to explore new path in her career is not a valid rationale for this. Yes, Bini's contract will expire on 2027, but we can't assume what would be the outcome of that. AstrooKai (Talk) 16:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I also want to point out, if I may, that another song article from that group has FA status right now that doesn't have the individual members of the group listed in the Credits and personnel section. See Gento (song). AstrooKai (Talk) 16:44, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
This seems valid. As I said, this isn't really a big deal to me since this is not incorrect or unsourced information, but it's best to WP:STICKTOTHESOURCE since the source here explicitly mentions the lead vocals, which isn't the case at "Gento". Medxvo (talk) 16:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

My point exactly. Maybe the editor who reviewed "I Want You" did not notice it, but if the source says so, we must obey. dxneo (talk) 16:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Medxvo is there anything you would you like to suggest or change in the article? Or you prefer to pass the article? Mentioning RFNirmala the original reviewer too. Royiswariii Talk! 23:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I personally think that the article can pass now, but @Dxneo and @RFNirmala should share their thoughts and determine the decision. Medxvo (talk) 23:44, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I'll pass this if the original reviewer doesn't after an hour. dxneo (talk) 23:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks editors for addressing the points by @Medxvo and @Dxneo. Some of my comments are:
  • The lead can have some information on the lyrics and composition (e.g. Filipino culture in the music video), a sentence will do before the chart mentions.
  • "A bubblegum pop song, it was written by Boy Matthews and Gaby Ramirez, along with its producers, Shintaro Yasuda and Skylar Mones." I find this sentence a bit unclear, I recommend using either "The bubblegum pop song was written by..." or "Written/Composed as a bubblegum pop song, ..."
  • May I know WP: or MOS: needs a track length citation?

If there are other points not yet addressed in the past messages, do so, or otherwise if there's reason not to. Good luck!

RFNirmala (talk) 00:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
I think it's better now, check it out. dxneo (talk) 00:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, let's wait for 1 hour before we can GA this. @Royiswariii and @AstrooKai, feel free to review again within the hour or after it's GA RFNirmala (talk) 00:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
It's fine to me. Royiswariii Talk! 00:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Look's okay to me. AstrooKai (Talk) 01:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 00:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Bini at Billboard Korea's K POWER 100 event
Bini at Billboard Korea's K POWER 100 event
Improved to Good Article status by Royiswariii (talk) and AstrooKai (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Royiswariii Talk! 03:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

  • Drive-by Comment
Cheers for the DYK and GAN! By WP:DYKPBR, the song being featured on the NBA should be in the article if we choose (ALT1). I can't choose and make a review among the three since I was the GA reviewer for this article. RFNirmala (talk) 04:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

General eligibility:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Looks good to me. Newly minted GA, and the DYK was timely filed. Earwig comes back clean, and the only real thing that stood out as a potential red flag was the WP:BROADWAYWORLD sources, but I don't think the article relies on any of them alone for any particular fact. Alt2 seems uninteresting (it is entirely expected that the group who wrote the song was the first one to perform it at a particular festival), while the Alt0 and Alt1 hook seem workable. There is a small mistake in Alt1 (The Clippers Spirit, a official dance team... should be the Clippers Spirit, the official dance team..., since the official name is "Clippers Spirit" and it's the official dance team), but I don't think that's a reason to hold this up, since that can be trivially fixed prior to promotion and after you read this comment. I'm inclined to go with Alt1 here after the fix is made, in line with the nominator's request. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hey Red! Thanks for looking at this DYK nom. I noticed your feedback for Alt2. Yes, an artist or a group is expected to perform their new song at a festival. However, the KCON festival is different from ordinary festivals. KCON is regarded as the world's largest convention and music festival for K-pop culture,[2] which features performances from various K-pop acts. Bini, on the other hand, is a Filipino group, and their performance in KCON was actually regarded by many sources as a historic milestone for the entire Philippine pop music community since they were the first Filipino act to ever perform in such a big festival as KCON (which is mainly for K-pop culture).[3][4]AstrooKai (Talk) 09:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Red-tailed hawk, I don't think that need to change the section of Critical Reception because Gabriel Saulog of Billboard Philippines is giving a reaction on the song of Cherry on Top as well as to Hans Carbonilla of Philippine Daily Inquirer. Royiswariii Talk! 10:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Well, if it ain't in the article, we can't use Alt1. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 17:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
@AstrooKai: The way you've phrased it, and the way the article has it Later that month, on July 27, Bini performed the song at KCON 2024 in Los Angeles, which marked the first act by a Filipino pop group at the event seems more interesting; the way that the current alt was phrased isn't. Therefore, I'll propose Alt4:
... that Bini performed "Cherry on Top" at KCON 2024, marking the first act by a Filipino pop group at the event?
— Red-tailed hawk (nest) 17:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
That is perfectly okay to me. What do you think, Royiswariii? AstrooKai (Talk) 17:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
It's looks goods to me. Royiswariii Talk! 23:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Red-tailed hawk!

  • (The Clippers Spirit, a official dance team... should be the Clippers Spirit, the official dance team..., since the official name is "Clippers Spirit" and it's the official dance team)
  •  Done Royiswariii Talk! 07:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Red-tailed hawk, what section should I add the featured halftime show? Royiswariii Talk! 07:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe change "critical reception" to "reception" and then add it there? It's not super simple to fit in based on current sectioning, but if you had a section that included both critics and general popular reception it would fit right in. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 08:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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