Talk:Chevrolet Cruze

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Why "1st generation" Chevrolet Cruze isn't mentioned?!

"Chevrolet Cruze" isn't a new nameplate, it existed at least since early 2000s. That Cruze was a badge-engineered version of 1st gen Suzuki Swift, being externally different from the latter.

I don't know whether 1st gen Cruze was sold outside Japan, but it DID EXIST, and as such deserves to be mentioned here; plus, this "current" 2009- Cruze should be labeled "Second generation". Bolkhov (talk) 10:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is now. OSX (talk • contributions) 05:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

not sure how i should properly reply to the comment above but here i go .... this article needs to be split in two. chevy cruze (crossover), which would satisfy the guy above, and then chevy cruze (sedan). having these two cars, who just happen have the same name, in the same article doesn't make sense to me. :: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.55.12 (talk) 11:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's already been done. The crossover information can be found at Suzuki Ignis. There is just a brief mention of the first generation car here. OSX (talk • contributions) 23:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suzuki-built Cruzes

I do believe the content relating to the rebadged Suzuki should go into the Suzuki Swift article. While the name would suggest some continuity, that's about it. Moreover, the JDM Chevrolet Cruze was an anomaly here, sold in very limited numbers in Japan. I would give the article a hatnote saying

For the vehicle sold as Chevrolet and Holden Cruze from 2001 to 2008 see Suzuki Swift

. Your thoughts? PrinceGloria (talk) 11:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, because the Cruze is more than a badge engineered Ignis. It's quite a substantial overhaul, and by name it belongs here. OSX (talk • contributions) 13:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Cruze is a revamped JDM Suzuki Swift, it was sold mainly in Japan and overseas mainly by Suzuki (and by Holden in Australia, but it was a sideshow to other Holdens and to other Suzuki-badged versions around the world). I do understand your drive to highlight the Australian engineering and design work that went into that model, but it is still a Suzuki. It bears no relationship beyond the name with the current Chevrolet Cruze and thus the article connects two unrelated entities much like many actually identical entities of Suzuki and Isuzu vehicles are disconnected because of different badging.

In short, I believe the Suzuki Swift article deserves a larger part detailing the international version of the Swift (aka Ignis and Cruze), but I urge you to reconsider whether this indeed has any commonality with the current Cruze which would merit keeping it in one article. PrinceGloria (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PrinceGloria, I do completely understand your reasoning to separate the first and second series Cruzes—but—I not quite sure that dumping the Ignis-based model into the Swift article is any better an idea. People are lazy, many aren't going to be looking for hatnotes if they just want a quick cursory read about the car. If they can't find the original Cruze information, they'll get frustrated and look elsewhere (see the comment above this section). I know this from experience; as you are aware the original 1971–1984 Statesmans (by Holden) were not badged as Holdens, but rather under the separate Statesman brand. On the Holden Statesman page readers were asking, "Where are the original HQ–WB models?" despite the article mentioning the position of the original Statesmans no less than five times. In the end I resorted to adding a small "Statesman (HQ–WB; 1971–1984)" section at the top with a Main article: Statesman (automobile) hatnote.

Getting back on track: as this example shows, unless you make things blatantly obvious, many readers are not going to notice the various subtle forms of redirection. I guess the same thing could be done here; that is, retain a short first generation section with a Main article link. However, I do not feel that in this case such a move would be of any advantage as the current Suzuki Swift article is a fairly nasty complication in its current form, dealing with a myriad of different cars—some related others not (à la Suzuki Swift+). OSX (talk • contributions) 11:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: frustrated people - some people can't be bothered to press wikilinks but, for God's sake, we won't be explaining everything ab ovo in every article for them. Hatnotes are pretty conspicious. Allow me to sound arrogant, but really, how many people will be going around looking for the YG Chevrolet Cruze in the English Wikipedia. And if anybody will be inquisitive enough, let us assume they have enough IQ not to miss a hatnote.

I do not think we should cater to people who are intellectually lazy. We must comply with all the rules that make an encyclopedia easy and enjoyable to use, but let us not go overboard in catering to each and every reader's momentary whims. Frankly, I'd prefer encyclopedias to be arranged by order of my favorite topics, alas, no publisher has yet complied with that. If you want a counterexample, the much more applicable (as referring to a rather obscure car) example of Chevrolet Epica redirecting to Daewoo Tosca with a Daewoo Magnus hatnote works quite well.

As concerns the Suzuki Swift article, it needs to be turned into a brief prose-garnished disambig. The HT51s generation surely deserves a large enough article, detailing its three apparent versions (JDM Swift/Cruze with a narrow body, slightly wider Oz/NZ/South Asian Ignis/Cruze and the much larger but related technically and optically Hungarian-built Ignis/Justy). All of the instances of the vehicle badged as "Suzuki Swift" were international cooperations, I believe the main article should reflect that too.

I hope I managed to get my point accross, but as I am a bit distressed by something totally unrelated you might want to tell me to explain again, in a more coherent manner. Kind, PrinceGloria (talk) 14:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. Let's give the Ignis it's own article back (what do we call it though? Ignis or Swift?), include the Chevrolet Cruze and prune this article. Basically, I will only accept your proposal if you allow a small one paragraph section regarding the Ignis-based Cruze to be retained + a note in the lead of this article (à la Holden Statesman). However, the lead will be heavily weighted towards the J300 Cruze as opposed to the "equal standing" currently given. OSX (talk • contributions) 14:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suzuki Swift (HT51), the vehicle was first launched in Japan under that name. I am not sure if this chassis code encompasses all versions, it might be "HT5" or something totally else, I am not an expert on Suzukis.

The lead in this article could say in the last sentence: "In 2001-2009, a smaller Suzuki Swift model was sold as Chevrolet and Holden Cruze in Japan and Australia respectively". Kind, PrinceGloria (talk) 14:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS. I am not the Grand Wikipedia Board of Acceptance, if you find my arguments constructive, agree, if not, counter :)

(Indent reset) According to ja.wikipedia, "HT51" refers to the base car (5-door), with "HT81S" applied to the Swift Sport (3-door). Should we just use Suzuki Swift (HT)? However, there are still issues: GoAuto (very reliable) states that the current 2005– Swift is "EZ" but ja.wikipedia suggests ZC and ZD? OSX (talk • contributions) 15:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OSX (talk • contributions) 15:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Watts Z-link rear suspension??

"However, for the North American market, the Cruze to be produced there from 2010 will utilize the more advanced Watts Z-link rear suspension from the Opel Astra (J).[22]"

Has this been verified other than the brief mention in an Australian webzine? The existence of the Astra (J) does not indicate that the US-spec Cruze will be equipped with this feature. Toneron2 (talk) 03:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GM's own press release makes mention of the Watts Z-link setup, as do several other sources. Nonetheless, it makes sense as they are very similar cars—the Astra is basically the Cruze, with a new body shell and interior. I am led to believe that the front suspension is largely the same, with the powertrains and platform et cetera also common. I fail to see why GM would design the same thing twice, especially considering how much badge engineering went on in the past. OSX (talk • contributions) 06:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Just looking for a better reference - the GM release was not linked. Thanks for your hard work. Toneron2 (talk) 03:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No motorsport section?

Most car pages have a section about the use of the car in motorsports, this article doesn't seem to mention racing at all. I haven't got any sources or enough detailed infomation to write up a section (Thats what I came here to find out about) but I know they're raced in the BTCC and I'm sure I saw something online from GM talking about racing them. Does anyone have the info and sources to fill the void?(92.40.171.199 (talk) 08:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

First generation (2001–2008)

"GM revealed the production Chevrolet Cruze in October 2001, with Japanese sales commencing the following month.[4] Manufactured by Suzuki in Japan,[7] the Cruze was also sold in Australasia from 2002 through to 2006 as the Holden Cruze.[8] From 2003, Suzuki of Europe began manufacturing the Cruze as the Suzuki Ignis—representing a facelift of the original Ignis. In the same year, Subaru adopted the car as the Subaru G3X Justy, also exclusive to Europe.[9]"

The section covers a lot in the various variants of 'Cruze', but surprisingly lacking why the Cruze is a Chevrolet.(Say, why not a Holden?)--North wiki (talk) 05:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was released as the "Chevrolet YGM1" in concept form. While it was designed by Holden, it was designed primarily for Japan as GM did not have a significant presence in the Japanese market (Holden after some hesitation decided to sell the Cruze in Australasia after 2002). Holden did this design work because prior to the Daewoo acquisition, Holden was responsible for Asia-Pacific development/testing. The main article for the first generation Cruze is Suzuki Ignis, so readers wanting to find out more can go there. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Better explain this within the article. Seldom viewers go to discussion page.--North wiki (talk) 15:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is; there is a Main article: Suzuki Ignis hatnote at the top of the section. OSX (talk • contributions) 22:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fuel economy

Suggest to present fuel economy in table format. At present, it is very difficult to follow.--North wiki (talk) 05:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed this fuel economy data because as you said, "it is very difficult to follow". Cruze is a global car—it is sold in every major market worldwide. Thus, if we include the U.S. EPA figure we really should include fuel economy figures for other major markets as well. This becomes unworkable because each one of these major markets use a different methodology to obtain these figures.

Regarding this edit, the figures are not preliminary ones. The figures are official as used by Chevrolet in Europe and Holden in Australasia. The U.S. models are measured in horsepower under a different test code (probably SAE), while the metric markets use kilowatts (probably obtained using the ECE standard). The Cruze is a global car, not an American one, so we should be using metric measurements first not imperial. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions#Power. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is important. More Cruze are going to be sold in America than in other markets. Therefore, it should at least cover correctly when there is deviant from world market product. Furthermore, the fuel economy is important to U.S. viewers, because GM has touted it as a major selling point. You won't get it unless you live here.--North wiki (talk) 15:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you'll find a significant number of Cruzes will be sold in China and the EU as a whole. I am not too keen on the idea of catering to the American audience at the expense of others, so it either has to be all or none to satisfy WP:NPOV. Lastly, do you think actually believe that fuel economy is a phenomenon restricted only to the United States? Fuel prices are twice as high in Europe, and 50 percent higher in other parts of the world. Fuel economy is being touted as a "selling point" by every car maker for every car they think they can get away with doing it with. If you adhere to the assumption that the U.S. is the centre of the universe, I suggest you try Conservapedia. Your style would be very welcome there. OSX (talk • contributions) 22:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike what you claim, Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions#Power says nothing about if the American one and the rest of the world is 'ascertained' 'differently'. Regarding the sales claim, do you have any supporting or just blind guessing? 'American-centric'? I don't mind if fuel economy information of rest of the world is included.--North wiki (talk) 23:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chevrolet sold 14,524 Cruzes in China during the month of July 2010—in a rapidly growing market.

What Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions#Power does say is, "power figures should usually be written in metric form with the imperial conversion in parentheses" unless it is a U.S.-only car. The Cruze was mainly developed by Opel (Germany) and Daewoo (South Korea); GM in the United States had only a seemingly small contribution [1], [2]. Every country uses metric measurements except for Burma, Libya and the United States. You will also find that different countries use different forms of output measurement (i.e. DIN, ECE, ISO, JIS, SAE). No article that I have ever come across quotes the outputs using multiple standards. I think that you would need to obtain a consensus to do so as it goes against the project norm.

In relation to your statement, "I don't mind if fuel economy information of rest of the world is included", the United Kingdom in conjunction with the United States does not represent the world. To do as you say, we would have to include: Australia, Germany, France, South Korea, China, Brazil, South Africa, Russia, Thailand, India, et cetera. Surely that seems like overkill to you? Additionally, you have yet to demonstrate how fuel economy is significantly more important in the U.S. market than everywhere else despite the cheap price for fuel there.

Fuel economy really only works in articles that are sold in one or two markets (i.e. Chevrolet Cobalt). For a global car, it is unworkable without being blatantly biased to particular markets. OSX (talk • contributions) 01:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The fuel economy figure doesn't really matter that much as long as it is there in some form, just put in the EPA number now and add others later for their respective markets.98.197.164.203 (talk) 03:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Philippine drama

I changed the section title of section about the Philippine television drama controversy from it's original version for clarity's sake. The previous title was Cruze airbag controversy, making it sound like there'd been an actually issue with the airbag system. I also reworded the first sentence to make it clear what was actually being discussed, as it wasn't made clear until the third sentence in the paragraph that this issue involved the happenings in a fictional television program. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NGKanzen (talk • contribs) 09:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding to the Compact class

GM's Cruze sedan doesn't seem to look like or feel like Volkswagen's Jetta, Honda's Civic or Toyota's Corolla, so maybe I shouldn't be considering this a compact car. I think it seems to look more like Honda's Accord (the size, lights, etc.), but I don't consider the Cruze a mid-size car, either. Due to having a little smaller length than the Accord, I'd probably consider it a "compact executive." Noscamsouttherebeinglovedby2013 (talk) 21:49, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You may consider it whatever you like, but you'd need to find a source before you enter it into the article. Thanks, Mr.choppers | ✎ 16:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, the Cruze IS a mid-size car, you see...

Cruze's length: 181.0 inches

Accord's length: 191.4 inches

Pretty close, right? 166.137.191.44 (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to the EPA standards, mid-size or whatever is determined by inside dimensions. See the official website. Mr.choppers | ✎ 00:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently it is mid-size [3], where it competes with the Toyota Avalon, Bentley Mulsanne and Audi A8 (no kidding!). OSX (talk • contributions) 06:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I went and looked it up (which is why I let the vandal's last edit stand), but I had a hard time trusting someone who also maintained a claim that the Tata Nano is built on the GM M platform. Meanwhile, the Saab 9000 was classified as a full-size! Mr.choppers | ✎ 14:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't remove the SS/Z24 section

I need every enthusiast to spread the "rumor" all around the internet until the dealership requests the opposite. It's not like I got paid to spread it around here. 2607:FB90:422:F88D:0:3B:4B8:9A01 (talk) 06:35, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We don't publish rumours, so don't bother adding it again unless you have a proper reliable source for it. All unsourced material will be promptly removed. Thomas.W ^talk 07:37, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"The 2016 North American-market Cruze has a more upscale design with a newer split grille front and a more muscular look." More upscale design? More muscular look? Compared with what?---Now wiki (talk) 19:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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