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Spanish origin
[edit]About this edit, which was tagged: "citing a blog or free web host"
This is the entirety of the provided source's coverage of chopines; it includes three words on their genesis: "De origen espanol".
Calzado femenino presente en el traje del siglo xv y posteriores, que se usaba conjutamente con otro calzado. Realizado con materiales fuertas, sin punta ni talón, con gruesa suela de corcho, que ormentaba la altura de las mujeres. Era calzado de lujo que se forraba con ricas telas. De origen espanol.
— Congosto, Francisco de Sousa (2007). Introducción a la historia de la indumentaria en España (in Spanish). Ediciones AKAL. p. 451. ISBN 978-84-7090-429-5.
The other source (a blog), added in the same edit, speaks of other origins, saying:
Chapín. Nuestro calzado. Ese que durante los siglos XV, XVI y XVII fue tan genuinamente español y tan femenino. De origen incierto (tendríamos que rastrear por tierras de Asia, por la antigua Roma o la antigua Grecia para encontrar algo parecido), sí se sabe que la mujer hispanoárabe usaba un tipo de calzado con suela de corcho que le ayudaba a aislar los pies de la humedad de los baños públicos y de la suciedad de las calles fangosas. ...
Será en la segunda mitad del siglo XIII, concretamente en Castilla y en Valencia, cuando las mujeres cristianas de las clases privilegiadas lo hacen suyo (no era infrecuente que los cristianos de la Edad Media adaptaran a su propio vestuario determinadas prendas de los moriscos).
— "El Chapín (I)". Indumentaria y costumbres en la España (in Spanish). 18 May 2011.
A rough translation, [with emphasis added]:
Chopines. Our shoes. Over the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries, they were so genuinely Spanish and so feminine. Of uncertain origin (we would have to go back to the lands of Asia, to ancient Rome or ancient Greece to find something similar), it is known that Hispano-Arab women used a type of footwear with cork soles that helped to insulate their feet from the humidity of public baths and the dirt of muddy streets.
It is in the second half of the thirteenth century, specifically in Castile and in Valencia, when Christian women from the privileged classes make it their own (it was not uncommon for Christians in the Middle Ages to adapt certain garments of the Moors to make them their own clothing).
@PCC556: can you please explain, by responding here, why these sources justify such a strong change from the longstanding version of the article? You inserted into first sentence of lead: "... of spanish [sic] origin
" and "Chopines originated in Spain in the 14th century and spread to Italy and other parts of Europe throught [sic] the 15th century
".
You made a similar change at Shoes: "Also during the 15th century, chopines were created in Turkey, and were usually 7–8 in (180–200 mm) high." changed to "created in Spain
", citing Anderson (1979) which says [emphasis added]:
Examples of the chopine, imperfect but probably the earliest in existence, have been recovered from piles of rubbish under a stair at the Alhambra ...
— Anderson, Ruth Matilda (1979). Hispanic costume, 1480-1530. Hispanic Society of America. ISBN 978-0-87535-126-1. p. 229
Thanks, AukusRuckus (talk) 08:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)