Talk:City rights in the Low Countries

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Citylist, chronical


Low Countries of Netherlands?[edit]

Shouldn't the introduction speak about (and link to) the Netherlands instead of the Low Countries. The entire list of cities seems to cover cities from the modern state only and none in Belgium, Luxembourg, France or Germany (all lying in part or integrally withing the Low Countries). I first considered changing the intro, but I ain't entirely certain yet. I can if needed try to look up dates and details concerning cityrights within the territory of the old duchy of Luxembourg. I possibly have similar material concerning other cities in the area as well.

Lastly, this article doesn't cite any sources, some of the information is also in contradiction to data I have, certainly parts are interpretation (erecting and guarding city walls is not just in the interest of the burghers, the nobility, if it can maintain command (unlike for instance the archbishop of Cologne) of important parts of those fortifications gains a lot too). Also, from examples within the old Luxembourgish (dynasty) counties I know that many old privileges were only confirmed by gifting city rights. It also usually led to unified codes of laws and particularly taxation (the city rights of Luxembourg for instance actually lower theoretical taxation, in fact though it lead to increased taxation over time). In many cases benefits were mutual (upper nobility/clergy and burghers).--Caranorn 23:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, I couln't link an article to 'city rights' (which redirects to 'Town privileges' and under See also mentions 'City rights in the Netherlands'. To my surprise, this article does not handle the historical Netherlands, the Low Countries. City rights were mainly granted in medieval times till the Seventeen Provinces and there cannot be made a sensible distinction between the Benelux countries in this respect.
I can only move the article to 'City rights in the Low Countries', and make a chapter for the (present-day) Netherlands. It still needs a proper rewrite and of course a section on Belgium (e.g. Genk obtained city rights only recently) and one on Luxembourg. — SomeHuman 15 Mar2007 03:00 (UTC)
I had almost forgotten about this article. As I said before I can try to add a list of city rights per date for the old duchy of Luxembourg (most in modern day Belgium) as I probably have that data. Possibly also on some Belgian cities outside this immediate sphere.--Caranorn 13:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree, the current article is more of a list of city rights in the Netherlands. Either rename (as suggested) or add the other low countries (I have no knowledge of these, but agree should be done).Arnoutf 19:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Question on city rights[edit]

Weren't the city rights of the Ancien Régime abolished by the French and replaced with a "city title" at one point?--Ganchelkas 13:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

rights versus law[edit]

Shouldn't this article speak more extensively about judiciary rights, widely considered the essence of city rights? Cf. the introductory paragraph of the Dutch version. [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 08:37, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

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