Talk:Clocker (train)

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Now that New Jersey Transit has token over the Clocker service from Amtrak, as of October 31, 2005, should the title of the page be changed, perhaps to Clocker (New Jersey Transit) and the exisiting page be shifted to a redirect? Alansohn 21:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A fine idea except for one thing: NJT has no Clockers! The name died over the weekend. I've changed everything (I think) to past-tense, but I don't know some of the nitty-gritty details. If anything, there should be a new article on the original Pennsy Clockers. --N5UWY/9 - plaws 21:49, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The commuter club using the Clockers was disbanded when NJT took over the trains. Ken S. 17:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. So how about something like Clocker (Train service) which would be an article entirely from the historical perspective. Leaving the Amtrak in the title made sense whole Amtrak was offering the service but could lead to the impression that it still does.

Another fine idea. I don't think "Train service" is the Wikipedia convention - let me do some research. --N5UWY/9 - plaws

No convention found. I do see many discontinued Amtrak trains marked as "Train name (Amtrak)", so there is precendent for that ... --N5UWY/9 - plaws

It would be either Clocker (Amtrak) or Clocker (passenger train). Right now I'm making an article at Northeast Corridor Line (which had redirected to Northeast Corridor) and mentioning the changes there. --SPUI (talk) 17:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Source issues[edit]

I've been working with Bruce Goldberg's otherwise comprehensive Amtrak: The First Decade and there's no mention of the Clocker name. Now, he does list train numbers 200 through 282 on the New York—Philadelphia route, but according to him as late as 1979 they didn't have a name (or at least weren't given a name in the timetables). Interestingly, he gives the end date for those trains as October 27, 1979; there's a number of new "named" trains appearing on October 28 (such as the Philadelphian or Manhattan Limited). Does anyone have a source clarifying the early history? Mackensen (talk) 02:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]