Talk:Cognitive inertia

Update announcement

Hi Wiki world I just wanted to announce that I am planning on updating this page in the next couple of months for a graduate social psychology class I am currently in. If there is anything of importance you think I should know or take care with other than general guidelines feel free to reach out and thanks ahead of time. Abinnquist (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Just an update that I have added and modified quite a bit of this page. I tried to do it in subsections so it would be easier to trace back the changes. If anyone has any large disagreements with the changes I would really appreciate if you reached out first before changing or reverting just so we can discuss. I appreciate any minor changes though if I've missed any grammatical or structural errors and always open to a respectful discourse on why you think something may be inaccurate. Abinnquist (talk) 23:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Greyhound

At risk of being an armchair analyst... I don't have access to the journal source to verify what exactly was said here, but this reads suspiciously to me:

Greyhound's inability to integrate into the delivery market based on the view that they were a bus company and General Mills' continued operation of mills long after they were no longer necessary are examples of when companies refuses to change the mindset of how the company operates.

Wait, is Narayanan / Zane / Kemmemer saying that Greyhound's path to success would be to also compete with FedEx / UPS / USPS?! That strikes me as a severely weird proposition. There's a lot of companies that have thrown a pile of money at vaguely adjacent industries and gotten absolutely nowhere with it. It's not clear that there's any synergy afoot here as well (passenger-focused bus terminals & rented gates at existing terminals have very different needs than cargo loading stations). Maybe the authors think this would be some brilliant corporate play, but at the very minimum this would be an extreme, expensive gamble, and not at all obvious that this was rejected due to "cognitive inertia" rather than "this is an authentically risky idea to spread focus, and we reject it clear-headedly." Is there some better, less crystal bally example that could be given? SnowFire (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cognitive inertia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Edwininlondon (talk · contribs) 10:24, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

I will have a look. At first glance it looks good. I have done some minor edits (commas, links) as a first pass. I hope you don't mind. Please revert any you think I have done wrong. Will review the article properly soon.

The lead

• No references needed in the lead. Only when something controversial is claimed.

• The definition is not easy to read. I am not an expert in any way but I wonder if the "endure" is necessary. It would certainly read easier: "... to resist change."

• "especially after it has been in use for a significant amount of time" --> This "especially" is a bit puzzling to me. I don't think in physics time matters for inertia.

• "cognitive specific processes" --> should this be "specific cognitive processes" or "cognitive-specific processes"? Not sure what this means.

• "In clinical and neuroscientific literature cognitive inertia is often defined.." --> Should this not perhaps come rights after the first sentence?

• Style: just about every sentence repeats the term. Is there a way to stop the repetition?

• I think a sentence about alternative theories would be good to include in the lead. Maybe also a sentence about the applications?

Changes have been made as best as possible regarding these suggestions. Abinnquist (talk) 01:43, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Nice work.

Body

• "Furthermore, McGuire proposed if .." -->This bit is hard to follow. Would it perhaps be a good idea to first describe in normal language what he proposes, and then add something like "More formally he proposes that .."?

• "denoted as p(a) and p(b)" --> it's not quite clear what these denote. I assume not the delta, although it looks like it because it comes after "changed"

• "The model was based on probability to .." --> Would it perhaps be better to mention this before the formulae?

(more later..)

Great notes. I actually had a hard time making this clear myself. I did my best to update. Abinnquist (talk) 01:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

________ Okay, a bit more:

• “people stick to their mental models and beliefs even ‘in the face of contradictory evidence’” --> if you use quotes you have to say who you are quoting. The question is do you really need to quote someone? Is this a controversial viewpoint?

• gets off the ground floor --> maybe a bit too colloquial

• however, despite often substandard products or services customers often do not switch services or buy new products. --> I get lost here. Maybe better as a standalone sentence and definitely remove the double often.

• “promotes one-track thinking and diminishes the performance of groups” --> another quote that may either be unnecessary or needs attribution

• Habersang, et al --> that's a bit too academic. You can just list their last names

• there are 22 instances of often in the article, which is fine, except that sometimes they are too close together.

More later. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

________ OAnd here is the last bit:

• In a large online study ... based on their opinion. --> too long a sentence.

• Rapp, Christof (2012-08-01). --> This seems to be a chapter in an edited book. It needs the book title, The Oxford Handbook of Aristotle, the editor, Christopher Shields, page numbers of the chapter

• Feldman, Shel (1969). According to this page https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=8vJFBQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=Cognitive+consistency+:+motivational+antecedents+and+behavioral+conssequents&ots=iPweUg-u9I&sig=TG8QSzz6MOKyODgVwrJd0rkhcSs&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false Feldman is the editor and the book is from 1966.

• Huebener, Paul --> need publisher and location. Check other books as well if they have this info.

• Tripsas, Mary; Gavetti, Giovanni (2014) --> needs chpter page numbers and editor name. I see as publisher name Birkhäuser. I'm not sure what the all caps DE GRUYTER is for.

And that is it. If you make these changes all looks good for Good Article criteria. Edwininlondon (talk) 08:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

All the above suggested edits have been modified or changed for improvement. Sorry about the absence and completely understand if it no longer applies for good article status but at the very least it has been improved. Thanks so much Edwininlondon I appreciate the patience, feel free to wrap it up. Abinnquist (talk) 22:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Note to reviewer

Edwininlondon, I thought I should point out that Abinnquist, the nominator, has not edited on Wikipedia since December 19, 2019. The article was worked on as part of a graduate class assignment for Fall 2019, so it seems unlikely that the nominator will be returning to edit on Wikipedia as the course is long over. To save you from doing a full review that might never be addressed, you might want to put the nomination on hold so that the issues you've already raised can be worked on if anyone is around to do so. (It has already been four weeks since your initial posting, with no edits to the article beyond your own.) If there is no response or editing in the next seven days, you can safely close the nomination if you wish, or allow more time for a response. Thank you very much for taking on the review. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I was already a bit suspicious, since normally nominators quickly respond to me when I start a review. I will do as you suggest. Edwininlondon (talk) 17:57, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Edwininlondon, I apologize for the long absence. BlueMoonset was not wrong that I am a grad student that edited this page for a class. However, if it is not too late I have started making some changes based on recommendations. It has been a rough past couple of months, I'm sure for all of us. However, I am proud of the work I put into the page and would love to still be considered if possible. Abinnquist (talk) 01:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Good to have you back! I'm confident we can meet the requirements for GA. I have removed the "on hold" flag and will pick up reviewing again. Edwininlondon (talk) 08:00, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@Abinnquist: I have finished my comments. When you have time to update we can finialise the review process. Best, Edwininlondon (talk) 15:18, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Edwininlondon, Abinnquist made an edit to the article two days after the above post; it is their most recent edit on Wikipedia, now over seven weeks old. Perhaps you should set a deadline, not too far in the future (September 7, two months after that most recent edit, would be perfectly reasonable), when you will do a final judgment on whether the review should be closed as a pass or a fail. At that point, the review will have been open for over four months. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

That seems fair. Abinnquist, I shall wrap up the review on September 12. Edwininlondon (talk) 06:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

final review

It took a while, with a bit of stop and go, but this article now satisfies the criteria for Good Article in my view: reasonably well written, factually accurate and verifiable, broad in its coverage, neutral point of view, stable. Ideally there are illustrations, but I think given the nature of the topic, without illustrations is still ok. Edwininlondon (talk) 12:30, 20 September 2020 (UTC) Would it be appropriate to add a few images of scientists that contributed to the psychology of cognitive inertia. I am just starting to edit articles, and noticed how the text is so blocked it is hard to follow, I personally (again, could be just new at this) feel that some photographs would allow a little more of an easy read. Otryad2018 (talk) 02:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

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