Talk:Cole Hocker

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Area record?

The current version of the page lists Hocker's 3:27.65 1500m from Paris as the NACAC area record. I'm not sure this is correct. The Paris results page doesn't list it as an area record. List of United States records in track and field says that Bernard Lagat's time of 3:27.40 in 2004 is the US national record (in which case the area record would have to be that or faster, and Hocker's time thus wouldn't be the area record), but this is contradicted by List of North, Central American and Caribbean records in athletics (which lists his area record as a later, slower time -- which Hocker's new time beats) and the current version of the article Bernard Lagat says Lagat's time wasn't ratified (but doesn't provide a source).

Bottom line, if Lagat's time was already the American record, then Hocker's time is neither the American record nor area record. But if Lagat's time wasn't, then Hocker's time is now both.

From some quick Googling I found a few random pages (none particularly reliable) contradicting each other -- some saying that Lagat's 3:27.40 was the national record, some saying it wasn't.

The only one I found just now that actually addresses the discrepancy is this, which says that Lagat's 2004 time originally was not ratified, but got ratified after the fact in 2018. If that's the case, then Hocker's time shouldn't be listed as the area record. (This would also be consistent with the Paris official results, which I take to be the most reliable source of the ones I looked at.) 2001:48F8:B00C:761:F45E:107B:4519:91F0 (talk) 02:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit complicated because USTAF considers Lagat's time of 3:27.40 to be the American (and area) record, while World Athletics does not. World Athletics does not consider it the North American record because Lagat was still competing for Kenya at the time. Runner's world has a discussion in an article here about it: https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a44215007/yared-nuguse-oslo-diamond-league/.

I can see the argument to keep it in the Wiki article when World athletics updates their list of area records: https://worldathletics.org/records/by-category/nacac-records. But I can also see the argument to remove it, because, as you point out, there do not seem to be any sources that call him the North American record holder, and it is a matter of contention. It could probably be stricken from the lead and added to the body with a note.CipherSleuth (talk) 12:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]