Talk:Comatose (album)

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Alternative metal

This album is in the same genre as Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, etc. (except for, of course, Skillet is a Christian band) So I am adding alternative metal to the genre section. redskillet93, 25 April, 2010

Tracks

The track titles are being changed back and forth from "Whispers" to "Whispers in the Dark" and "Falling Inside the Black" to "Falling Into the Black". Amazon.com and itunes both list the titles as "Whispers in the Dark" and "Falling Inside the Black". I don't have the CD, so if the back cover of the album says something else let me know. For now I'm going to revert the titles to what amazon.com and itunes have.--roger6106 04:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whisperes in the Dark and Falling inside the Black. Official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.38.60 (talk) 00:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

POV

The beginning of this article has a pretty biased-sounding POV, particularly the part about "undeniably catchy choruses." I agree and all, but it's still not a neutral POV. I'm not good with words, so I'll leave this for someone else to correct. Philipdistefano 18:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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how come the song (Comatose) has no article?Altenhofen (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a single and has no video 74.83.38.60 (talk) 00:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Music videos

Claims from WMG has caused two videos to be taken down and one's audio track to be removed, and the remaing video has been removed by the user. I suggest removing the links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by T3117 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, just another note about music videos. Did anyone here know that there is a Looking For Angels music video? I found it online when looking for the Hero vid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.27.34 (talk) 21:11, 22 October 2009

Yes, It was released, however Looking for Angels is not a single so it never charted and so no page was made for it. What do people think about making one? - David - 1.45 pm (NZT) 1 November 2009

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I think we should do it. It DOES have a music video meaning we could describe the video, since the video was released for a charity. It could go under "Other Songs" like on Flyleafs page for the song "Cassie". What do ya think? 74.215.173.84 (talk) 00:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Christian metal

I dispute having christian metal as a genre, it's redundant and a label over a genre, besides a lot of bands don't like being called christian music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MsBlackworld (talk • contribs) 03:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is a genre. This has been debated many times before and it's not worth arguing over. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am okay with skillet being called a christian rock band, but i do not understand what makes a whole album or song christian? MsBlackworld (talk) 21:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To be funny I could say that it depends on your theology. If you're a Calvinist, it's the Holy Spirit that wills it to be. If you're an Arminian, it's a choice.

In all fairness, the easiest example would be with Stryper. During their first formation, they released an EP and four full-length albums. Before their last album, they were trying hard to express their faith through the music. Not all of the songs would be considered Christian. The tune "Honestly" comes to mind of one that fits this category, while "To Hell with the Devil" is an example of a Christian song. While "Abyss" is neither. On their last album they made a conscious effort to not sing about their faith. As you will see in the infobox of that album, the Christian metal genre is not listed, but earlier and later albums do carry the "genre".

Perhaps another example would be the song God Gave Rock 'n' Roll to You. As performed by Argent and Kiss, it's not a Christian song. As performed by Petra, with the lyrics of the verses changed to focus on this exact subject, it is. I can't speak to the recordings by the other bands.

Not sure if that explains things, but it's about an expression of faith. The adjective is not about something inherent in the music or lyrics, although they play a role in the expression of faith of the writers and performers. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I completely understand what you are saying, but i will also like to see what someone else thinks about this topic. MsBlackworld (talk) 08:09, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why? This isn't about either you or me, it's about Wikipedia and you seem to be making this about you. The best example is above: "I am okay with...". Either it's a fact or it's not. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly what I meant. This is not about me so I will leave it at that. I will no longer continue this discussion about Christian rock. If This what Wikipedia thinks is correct than it must be correct. I apologize for sounding so obtuse, but I am new to Wikipedia, so I don't know how things work here. MsBlackworld (talk) 23:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. I just re-read my comment from yesterday and I think I was short on time. Please allow me to apologize now. Your question is a good one and I shouldn't belittle it or your desire to find an answer.

All I can offer is that it's about the artist and how their music is interpreted. The question has been asked before and maybe I'm too close to the subject of Christian music to give an objective answer to someone who isn't.

I'll give two more flawed answers, neither of which are in the rock vein. Bob Dylan experienced a conversion experience in the late seventies. He released two albums that are fairly universally considered Christian albums. Some of the songs fall into a gospel setting while others are closer to his folk-rock background. It's clear when Dylan started singing Christian music. It's a bit harder to identify when his albums were no longer Christian, although I think some of his "transition" songs are clearly Christian-themed while others aren't.

And then there's Amy Grant. Clearly a Christian musician who has never moved away from her faith. In the late eighties reviewers, and probably more important to her Christian marketplace: radio stations and music retailers, were split as to whether to continue to apply the CCM moniker to her music. To some, the fact that she was a Christian making music that reflected her Sitz im Leben was enough. To others, they wanted clear theologically-based statements in every song, if not Christian nomenclature (Jesus, God, etc.).

Some of this is addressed in the 1979 book called Why Should the Devil Have All the Good Music while CCM magazine, Harvest Rock Syndicate, and HM Magazine just ignore the question and settle on the side of "Christians in the band with veiled Christian references" side of the argument.

I don't know if this helps or not, but if you're still interested in an answer then you might want to bring it up in the WP:Christian music project. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]