Talk:Come Clarity

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Genre

There is no way this should be labeled as Melodic Death Metal. Not only is it factually inaccurate, but it is misleading and suggests the album sounds more like older In Flames material as opposed to their previous two albums.

-There is no way this is alternative metal, either. To suggest such is absurd. No, it does not sound much like the early In Flames albums, but it does have most of the characteristics of melodic death metal, i.e. lead guitar melodies, driving riffs, and death vocals.

Even the 'harsher' vocals on the album do not fall under the category of death growls. Lead guitar melodies and 'driving riffs' (whatever those are) are not restricted to Melodic Death Metal. Alternative Metal or possibly Swedecore are appropriate classifications for music of this style. The title track alone is enough for anyone to tell this is not a Melodic Death Metal album, at least not prevailent enough for it to be the sole genre listed. Radagast1983 15:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think Swedecore is closer to what we are looking at, than alternative metal.

IMHO metalcore should stay in (it's obvious the strong influence from bands like Killswitch, Caliban, Atreyu ecc. and also from some post-thrash bands) but we could put Scandinavian metal (since it sounds more "Swedish", with their own feeling). Even vocals are more "core-oriented" (death vocals are different and don't fully represent a genre, if Iron Maiden had growl vocals they wouldn't be a death metal band). Melodic Death Metal: I think it's wrong. For me, a MDM album could be Lunar Strain, Skydancer, Slaughter of the Soul, Heartwork (even Symbolic of Death but this is another loooong tale), and CC is different in sound, attitude, influences, groove etc. Alternative Metal: CC isn't as particular and marked by many influences as RTR or STYE, imho even alt metal is wrong.

Connacht 12:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, and whoever keeps changing it back to Melo-Death, please stop.

I would say no on alt metal just as my opinion alt metal focuses primarily on genres like post-grunge or nu-metal which in flames is not melodeath maybe but not entirely i think the only proper genre to put up is metalcore fridens growls are more hardcore sounding than death metal sound and the instrumentals are obviously metal-influenced therefore it should be metalcore from CC forward even sense of purpose

If you want to check out melodeath-influenced metalcore listen to Sonic Syndicate. Reliable sources list CC as melodeath, thrash metal or nu thrash. Metalcore have been used as a umbrella term to most modern metal recordings. 189.26.88.126 (talk) 21:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, i agree, this album is NOT death metal. I've listened to many different death metal bands from the classics- Morbid Angel, Death (started the genre), Obituary to Dark Tranquility, Carcass, Arch Enemy, At the Gatest, etc and the dudes vocals on this album do NOT sound at ALL like death growls. This album is MUCH closer to Screamo in the way it sounds, even the guitars dont sound like those in melodic death metal... This album is closer to death metal than alternative metal, i really dont see HOW this is alternative metal, alt metal is System of a Down, NOT in flames... just because one place says its alt-metal (probably some site where u can listen to free music that simply doesnt have a distict genre for death metal or screamo). Seriously though, this album doesnt sound anything like death metal and could be compared to, if anything, screamo... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.88.135 (talk) 18:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds NOTHING like screamo, go look up what screamo actually is. The problem is that you are trying to categorize this just based on vocals, but there has always been a wide range of vocal styles in melodeath and alternative metal. Instrumentally the root sound of it is based in melodic death metal, but with enough influence from alternative metal that it now sounds quite different. It superficially resembles metalcore, but that's mainly because of metalcore bands taking influence from In Flames and similar bands. It lacks proper breakdowns and other hardcore elements, it's not metalcore. Ganondox (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative metal

I was wondering, does anyone have some sources for that? I know the sound has changed since Clayman, but there's a source for melodic death metal, and none for alternative. Tenho Karite (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I just did a search for some reviews. I've got three saying that this album is melodic death metal, albeit with a little experimentation. So, I really would like to see an alternative metal source. Tenho Karite (talk) 20:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found one review saying that it's alternative metal. [1] Other than that, it's pretty scarce. In my opinion, I think alternative metal describes it rather well. It's definately not pure melodic death metal, ala Lunar Strain or The Jester Race. Erzsébet Báthory_{(talk|contr.)} 20:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That works for me. Tenho Karite (talk) 18:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

merge of Take this life (song)

The song doesn't seem to justify an article. If it does, it should be at Take this life, which currently redirects to the band's page. PamD (talk) 20:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I didn't even know it had an article. Jakisbak (talk) 20:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Genre (and source questions)

Is this album really able to be considered metalcore? Is Louder Sound actually a reliable source? To me, it lacks the punk elements that metalcore is known for, but I got warned for removing metalcore from the list. Tkgaynor (talk) 23:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The people at Louder are contributing editor Matt Mills and executive editor Merlin Alderslade. These guys are career music critics, not random blog posters.

The Louder piece says the metalcore of Come Clarity led to the metalcore of "Disconnected" on A Sense of Purpose. Louder describes Come Clarity as the band's "own metalcore album" in the vein of Trivium and Killswitch Engage. I don't think we can simply throw out this assessment as wrong, because the writers are reliable experts.

The best we can do to satisfy your complaint is to show that more sources call the album something else, making Louder an outlier and reducing the weight we assign to them.

AllMusic said the album was mostly "melodic metal" and "melodic death metal". More of these is what you want to show. Binksternet (talk) 00:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has the same sound as every other album by them, melodeath / alt metal. not metalcore --FMSky (talk) 18:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]