Talk:Connected farm

17th Century? No.

A lot of scholarship suggests that the connected farm was mostly a response to the opening of the prairies, and older farms generally had more separation. The 1800s saw a great deal of economic pressure on New England farms, as road, rail, and canal projects make movement of food from remote markets feasible, and optimizing the farm layout was a direct response. Anmccaff (talk) 03:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful to cite at least one of the lot. I've temporarily moved the comment here awaiting a citation. Thewellman (talk) 03:45, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

dubious| A lot of scholarship suggests that the connected farm was mostly a response to the opening of the prairies, and older farms generally had more separation.

I grew up in the pictured connected farmhouse and my aunt lived in another some 30 miles distant. Both of them had a feature unmentioned in the text which was an important advantage during Maine winters well before any competition from prairie farms. Rather than a pit privy outhouse, both connected farmhouses had a three holer in the corner of the barn most distant from the house. There were a few removable planks on the back of the barn to shovel out the accumulation after the spring thaw. Anyone who has used an outhouse in deep snow and below zero temperatures can appreciate the advantages of this predecessor of "indoor" plumbing. Thewellman (talk) 05:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Don't even need to dig up anything elsewhere, just look in the included cites. Look at The New England Farmhouse Ell: Fact and Symbol of Nineteenth-Century Farm Improvement, Thomas C. Hubka Perspectives in Vernacular Architecture, which on page 166 explicitly states that this was a response to competition from other regions, and occurred during the nineteenth century, and which begins "Between 1800 and 1850, the common New England farmhouse was spatially and functionally reorganized." He also notes that a connected ell, common enough in England, was not adopted until the nineteeth century. Chase-Harrell"s review of Hubka's Big House, Little House... also explicitly states the timeline and the rationale. The http://www.nbm.org/blueprints/80s/summer85/page10/page10.htm cite, (here from Wayback), also references Hubka, and also focuses on the 19th century - "Thomas C. Hubka has written a history of the development of this building pattern, especially common in Maine during the nineteenth century." It notes that Hubka made use of diaries which explicitly detailed relocation of structures and connection with intervening buildings.

Of the cites given, none suggest an earlier connected farm in the sense the article uses; only Zelinsky mentions that some barns (and haystacks) were built near dwellings in earlier times, with no particulars. I think there is more than enough within the four corners of the article itself to note some dubiety. Next time I'm near a decent library, I can dig up some more if this isn't persuasive. Anmccaff (talk) 05:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PS: as a Masshole, I've run into one or two of these myself. A block from where I grew up, in a very densely populated city, was a surviving example that had gotten some Italianate gew-gawing, and had a barely separated carriage house, rather than an attached barn, but it was obviously of the same ilk. Anmccaff (talk) 05:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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