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Listing the poems right at the start is a torture. Write what "Conversation poems" means.

Good prose, so just replace 3 dots (...) everywhere with …

None of the books have ISBNs.

Hometech (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Made fixes. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How come the article title is not capatialised in the 1st sentence. I doubt this is a mistake, just curious. Ceoil (talk) 22:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To conform to the original use: 'are often discussed by 20th-century literary critics as a group entitled "conversation poems".' The capitalization varies - C P, c p, C p, etc. The first use was c p. It is used as a genre, so I guess it is the same as a page on "ode" or "elegy". Of course, this genre was rather specific to Coleridge. It is a sub-genre of "greater Romantic lyric", which is whatever Abrams wanted that to mean, I guess. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lead is unsatisying. You have a lot of material in the article body; maybe beef it up witha better overview (I know leads are generally left to last). Ceoil (talk) 23:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The conversation poems are a group of eight poems composed by Samuel Taylor Coleridge across 12 years - better composed by Samuel Taylor Coleridge between x and x. Ceoil (talk) 23:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

as well as an resonant night in which Coleridge viewed and contemplated the moon. This is definatly interesting, and it would be great if you could elaborate. Ceoil (talk) 00:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what kind of information you want to be added to the lead - the article is only 25k, so the lead cannot be too long. Also, the section on the Nightingale is a summary of the poem page. There is not much to really talk about in terms of contemplating the moon (at least, for the sources). Mostly, critics just say it is highly biographical but leave it at that. See the end of the poem section on The Nightingale: A Conversation Poem for the scene. The poem wasn't well received by critics, which is probably why there is a drop in the attention to detail. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Its just very suggestive to me. Ceoil (talk) 00:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Same here. If I get some time, I hope to pursue these poems in the same way I have pursued Keats's odes. Maybe something will turn up. Everyone seems to want to just talk about the "one life" belief. Few people care about the moon or other impressive visuals. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm only half way through the page and now hooked. Expect demands. Ceoil (talk) 01:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha. Does this mean you are willing to work on it? I'm taking the opposite approach to the Lucy poems. The wonder of the Lucy poems was trying to structure them as one big series. Instead, this follows the critics viewing this more as a genre. Thus, the subpages would need to be expanded to allow for better summaries of the content and a greater themes section put together. The critical response is close to as much as there will ever be, as I've exhausted a lot for that section. Since the term was coined in the 30s, there wont be much historical data on it. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm interested. I find huge resonace here, on a series I was not aware of before. Ceoil (talk) 02:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Few questions:

Overall, while there are many references to nature, but reading I didn't get a proper sence of how Coleridge viewed nature, or what his relationship to it was. In the section on Frost we are told he felt disconnected as a child but not in what way. It is developed somewhat in the themes section, but maybe this section should be placed earlier to give the reader more of a grounding.
his belief that people lives are interconnected - I would elaborate on this in the lead; its a nice notion, but left tantilising vague here.
the types of actions mankind is obligated to follow, and question if there there is a place for a simple appreciation of nature without actively having to dedicate one's life to helping mankind - This could be more elegantly stated.
~~There are no extracts from any of the poems; I think these would enrich. I would add links to Wikisource, but I know some are not fond of those boxes.~~
Nature is shown in its oppositions - to what? Is it the wildness and order within nature; I found this confusing.
The imagination aspects of [Reflections on Having Left a Place of Retirement] - needs to be expalined.
one cannot simply exist in such an area, but must seek out truth - for what reason; to gain wisdom, pease, enlightment; nees to be explained.

I think this is a fine article that needs some tweaking before it can go to FAC.

Ceoil (talk) 20:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good work since. This a pass in my openion. Ceoil (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]