Talk:County Borough of Warley

Staffordshire or Worcestershire

I have heard several people tell me that the County Borough of Warley existed within Staffordshire, which seems probable as all of Warley except Oldbury (and the Oakham/Tividale area of Dudley) was part of this county. Yet each time I stated this on the article, someone corrected my statement and recorded that Warley was in Worcestershire. Another possible theory is that the borough was actually split over the two former counties; on a 1972 ordance survey map of the West Midlands (shortly before it became an official country) showed the Worcestershire-Staffordshire county borough following the old boundary lines of Oldbury and Smethwick townships. Can anyone settle this dispute? AlexWilkes 20:52, 6 April 2007

See List of Worcestershire boundary changes and Staffordshire#Boundary_changes. Andy Mabbett 20:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Population of Dudley "intake" was 317

Surely there were more than 317 people living in the section of Dudley which became part of Warley. The section of Dudley that became part of Warley was the Tividale Hall Estate, Grace Mary Estate, as well as the Oakham area starting just before Oakham Road's junction with Regent Road. By 1966 there were surely many more than 317 people living in this area, as the Tividale Hall houses were built in the late 1950s and possibly early 1960s as well, the Grace Mary Estate was built between 1920 and 1960, although the area around Oakham Road was probably about half-developed by 1966. Sir Stanley 20:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the population figures are from the 1961 census. From memory, the county volumes for the census weren't published until after the boundary changes. This means that although the people were counted when they were in one district, the figures were only given for the new boundaries. Similar annoying things happened with the 1971 census, which was published on the 1974 boundaries. Is it possible that there just 317 people in the area in 1961? Lozleader (talk) 14:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The population in these areas would have been lower in 1961, but not that low. Tividale Hall Estate consists of several hundred houses, approximately half of which were built in the 1930s and the other half were build in either the 1950s or the early 1960s. Grace Mary Estate was mainly built in the 1930s with a few additions in the 1950s or 1960s. That again definitely consists of several hundred houses. The area around Oakham would have been considerably lesser developed in 1961 than it was possibly even by 1966, as most of the houses were built during the 1960s. Sir Stanley (User talk:Sir Stanley|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

1 acre (with 95 people) of Tipton became part of Warley

The section of Tipton which became part of Warley definitely consisted of more than one acre and much more than 95 people. The section of Tipton that became part of Warley was situated between the north side of the Birmingham New Road as well as the area north of Tipton Road. The residential area between Birmingham New Road and Tipton Road consisted of at least several hundred houses (and probably well over 1,000 residents) by 1966, and although the Temple Way area (north of Tipton Road) was definitely not fully developed until the 1980s, part of it was definitely developed by the early 1970s (this section was shown an OS map from 1972) and it is possible that at least some of the houses in this area had been built by 1966, as they are of typical 1960s design. Sir Stanley 20:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. The source for this the Vision of Britain site which is itself derived from the census report which got its area info from the West Midlands Order. It's entirely posssible a transcription crept in at some stage.

Looking at the VoB site, the 1961 census gives Tipton MB an area of 2,167 acres. However according to the same site [1] the borough was split between W Brom CB (834 acres), Dudley CB (42 acres) and Warley CB (1 acre). This seems to leave a whopping 1,290 acres unaccounted for! We need to access a copy of the order itself in order to get the real figures, as something is worng:-) Lozleader (talk) 15:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

West Bromwich took in the bulk of Tipton, though I believe the area of Tipton incorporated into Dudley was industrial land around the Bean factory, though I'm not sure if it quite covered 42 acres. The most likely scenario is that whoever published these records got the figure wrong for the Warley section of Tipton. Sir Stanley (User talk:Sir Stanley|Sir Stanley]]) 00:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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