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Thirty Years' War: Imperialist Austrian Army and Allies

Including the Catholic League, Wallenstein's army and even some Bavarian colours_"http://miniaturasmilitaresalfonscanovas.blogspot.com.es/2011/08/la-guerra-de-los-treinta-anos-las.html". Both Austria and Spain were under Habsburg rulers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 10:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Mexican Blue Cross of Burgundy (1811)

Odd flag. Spanish Army Museum (Madrid). According to "Ristre", a Spanish magazine on military history. Miguel Hidalgo's peasant army. An alleged war trophy taken by the Spanish Royalist Army.___"http://elrincondecarlos-miniaturas.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/accion-de-acatita-de-bajan-1811.html" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 11:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish reveries

The reference to Pedro de Ayala's theory on the Scottish origin of the cross of Burgundy is interesting but lacks evidence. What we know FOR SURE is that the Parisian supporters of John the Fearless early in the 15th century used a Parisian parish dedicated to Saint Andrew as their rallying point, that their badges were a green hood and a plain Saint Andrew's cross with a fleur-de-lys, and that Burgundy is under the patronage of Saint Andrew. John the Fearless's own personal badge was a carpenter plane, to make derisory fun of a rival whose badge was a raguly pal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Asociación Cruz de San Andrés

Current Spain. Roman Catholics and Carlists, basically an anti-abortionist group-"http://www.cruzdesanandres.org" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 12:06, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Independentist or Federalist Flag of Loreto (Perú)

See Loreto Region. Loreto, an Amazonian Peruvian province with natural riches and with a sort of Seccessionist party or Federalist movement. This is not the official flag of Loreto, but a political flag. And a contemporary one, non related to the 1896 Federal Republic of Loreto_"http://porlasendadelahistoria.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/la-revolucion-federal-de-loreto.html"

Poland, 17th century

The cross of Burgundy seems to have been displayed by some 17th-century Polish units. Krakow Guild Militia_"http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111519" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 12:39, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Evolution from the plain saltire to the raguly and flaming saltire in 15th-century Burgundy

"http://base-devise.edel.univ-poitiers.fr/index.php?id=1577" & "http://base-devise.edel.univ-poitiers.fr/index.php?id=1682"_Explanations: 1)The houses of Armagnac-Orléans and Burgundy were rival. The former's badge was a bend, sash or knotty club(bande). John the Fearless, duke or Burgundy, adopted as personal badge a carpenter's plane (rabot)("http://base-devise.edel.univ-poitiers.fr/index.php?id=1500"). A planed-down plank (planche rabotée) mockingly defiled the Orléans. 2)The Burgundian badge of the firesteel (fusil) with flint and sparks (Order of the Golden Fleece). 3)The symbolic motif of the knotty forest (bois écôté, bois noeaux) displayed by Philip III of Burgundy, John's heir, in the 1430s. 4)Scholarly explanation: the flammability of laurel branches according to the Roman author Pliny the Elder.

Jeunesse de Gerpinnes (Gerpinnes Youth), 1806

If true, it might be an odd Napoleonic cross of Burgundy_"http://www.napoleon1er.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14343"

Coats of arms of Ferdinand II, Archduke of Austria

Count of Tyrol. A lesser Habsburg. Image from his mausoleum._"http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Silberne_Kapelle_-_Armoiries_de_Ferdinand_II_de_Tyrol.JPG" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.37.211.145 (talk) 13:10, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A Czech coat of Arms (13th century)

The coats of arms of the Lords of Lipa or Leipa (von Ronow, a.k.a. Rovnoci) in the Middle Ages: a black raguly saltire on yellow field. Unrelated to the cross of Burgundy, but same design. See Česká Lípa, Cvikov, Bohdalov, Havlíčkův Brod, Krompach, Vrochovany, Blatce, Mařenice, Dyjakovice, Stružnice, Horni Libchava, Kokorín, Ctidruzice, Castohotice, Bat Novice, Místek, Šluknov, Budějovice, Uštěk , Polná, Zákupy, Cerveá Hora, Rencine, Stremy, Ořechov, Žďár Nad Sázavou...With doubts: Šonov.

"http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Armoriaux/Gelre/F33v.htm"

"http://www.ngw.nl/heraldrywiki/index.php?title=Cvikov"

"http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/cz-zr-zr.html"

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"http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soubor:Pecet_z_Lipe_1316.jpg"

And Oybin in Saxony (Germany). And Seifhennersdorf & Neustadt in Sachsen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.230.190 (talk) 12:26, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cornwall

St. Austell (red raguly saltire) and Restormel (blue raguly saltire). As usual: same design as the cross of Burgundy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.230.190 (talk) 12:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"http://www.staustellrunningclub.co.uk" & A.F.C. St Austell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.230.190 (talk) 10:46, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Gravelines (1946)

The badge of this British destroyer named after the battle of Gravelines (1588) displayed what seems to be a cross of Burgundy_"http://www.militaryfigures.co.uk/royal-navy/hms-ships-badges/hms-ships-badges-g" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.99.89.51 (talk) 15:20, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My guess: the lion represents Lord Howard of Effingham (it was his heraldic crest), and the cross of Burgundy represents the Spanish Armada, put to flight by the English fireships off Gravelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.37.84.125 (talk) 11:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The new región of Bourgogne-Franche-Comte will use the Cross of Burgundy in its flag

Sure? Any source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.99.89.51 (talk) 16:19, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Chassé (family)

A Dutch coat of arms, early 19th century, see David Hendrik Chassé, Napoleonic Wars_"http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Chass%C3%A9_wapen.svg"

A Walloon Regiment in the Austrian Army, Napoleonic Wars

According to the Wikipedia's Flags of the Imperial Austrian Army of the Napoleonic Wars, the Austrian 55th Infantry Regiment (Murray's) bore a cross of Burgundy on its regimental colours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.43.247.38 (talk) 13:08, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Fleischer's Film "The Vikings" (1958)?

Starring Kirk Douglas, Tony Curtis, etc. Rather surprisingly, the Saxon warriors in chain-mail garrisoning the coastal castle stormed by the Vikings are carrying white shields seemingly bearing an anachronistic cross of Burgundy with sparks and Burgundian firesteels. There's an explanation, I think: the location is Fort LaLatte in Brittany. Reused materiel from another movie, most likely.

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Cross as Spanish Fin Flash

I think there's an error in the "examples of use\in spain". It refers to the cross of Burgundy being "The current fin flash on all the aircraft from the Spanish Armed Forces except the ones in the Navy, is a simplified monochrome version of the Cross of Burgundy", with an accompanying photo and reference to the spanish air force website. But I think this may be wrong in two ways:

The the archived reference says that the fin flash is intended to represent the cross of saint andrew, not a simplified version of the cross of Burgundy;
As far as I can see, regardless of what cross it is meant to represent, it seems that the black-and-white fin flash is present on all spanish non-navy aircraft, and possibly never present on Spanish Navy aircraft. Perhaps the cross of saint andrew is the fin flag of all spanish aircraft, except for ones in the navy where there is no fin flash.

I'm new to wikipedia editing, and I'm a little apprehensive deleting this passage. I'll leave it to people who are more familiar with this article.

Thanks! :)

--Etsrtr (talk) 09:18, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]