Talk:Dalits in Bihar

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Title name change needed or the sections on violence should be merged in one

the article looks like Violence against Dalits in Bihar more than Dalits in Bihar, Shouldn't the name be changed to "Violence against Dalits in Bihar"? because that is what it covers. And what I have seen is lots of lines being repetitive in the article. Either the separate section on violence should be merged into one main section with sub-sections or the best option is to rename the article. Akalanka820 (talk) 05:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tag of major Expansion is there, you can see. It is only half of the article. I will keep it expanding till the end of August. There will be culture, politics and different other sections.Admantine123 (talk) 05:42, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

fair, but four main sections for violence part looks a bit absurd, it should be merged into one with sub-sections and also word Dalit is a popular choice word neither constitutional nor a community identifier. Anyways you continue !, I was just patrolling for new articles saw this one with four different sections on violence part which surprised me a bit. Thanks Akalanka820 (talk) 06:14, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Major arrangements will be done with time, this will be my biggest article. Recently i saw Adolf Hitler. They are writing even biography with such a large content, and Indian articles are in poor condition.Till the end of August, this article will be expanded to twice of its current size. I will think about violence section merging into one, but at first let me write culture and politics, according to my pace.Admantine123 (talk) 09:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting

I came into this article from the comments in Abecedare's talk page. I have added content to similar communities and have some questions. I shall follow this article to see if they get addressed over time.:

In the "Beliefs..." section I can see that the communities have tried to make themselves "Hindus" and similar myth making is seen in the Rajbanshi people of North Bengal. They claimed Kshatriya caste in the late 19th century, got it, but their lot did not change. Now they are demanding ST status. So an understanding of the origin of these beliefs and myths would be interesting.
Also, does this include only the Dalits of only Bihar or does it include the Dalits of Jharkhand as well? Has the state division had an impact on these communities?
How are Dalits in Bihar different from, say, U.P.?
A section on the non-mythological "origin" of these communities would be very interesting indeed.

Thanks, Chaipau (talk) 07:20, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The origin related mythology are shared by Dalits among Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. In case of Jharkhand too, they have many things in common. Most of the communities of eastern Uttar Pradesh are also found in Bihar, and they share same myths. Like Kewal Maharaj is a folk hero of mallah of both Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. I can not mention him here as Mallah fall in OBC category in Bihar, but yes, there will be significant expansion in belief section.Admantine123 (talk) 17:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting the Belchhi incident

The section became too long, and i chose the Belchhi incident as it satisfies WP: Notability. Admantine123 (talk) 00:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The page is about the community, not backwardness in a state.

This content seems to have been added in the root causes, the author hasn't even used word Dalit, untouchables, or Scheduled Castes. The page topic is not social backwardness in Bihar, but on untouchables. The lines in the quotes seems very generic: "Rumela Sen outlines the inequalities and backwardness prevalent in Bihar in post-independence period as a consequence of the "delaying tactics" in implementation of land reform and utilisation of kinship ties by the upper-caste landlords, who were having obstructionist attitude towards the land reform programs. The upper-caste not only dominated the administration, but also the politics in the post-independence period, and they utilised the caste ties to keep about 9000 acres of land undisturbed to the poor. Since the landlords primarily belonged to upper-caste as were the politicians and administrators, they were successful in grabbing large holdings amidst the passage of Zamindari abolition act of 1952."^[1] Akalanka820 (talk) 13:11, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the chapter of book itself was about atrocities on Dalits, but let it be, repititive content is not suitable for article. I have moved that content to Bihar. Can also be included in Zamindars of Bihar. After my exams,i will consider creating another article on forward caste in Bihar, where all such stuff can be included. In any case, the things need to come out on Wikipedia from the voluminous books, which only few PPL can read, due to their cost and inaccessiblity. Since, Wikipedia is very handy, my concern is to take the things to more and more educated PPL, who would like to know everything. Thanks.Admantine123 (talk) 14:11, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Rumela, Sen (2021). 'Rebel Retirement in the North through Discordant Exit Networks', Farewell to Arms: How Rebels Retire Without Getting Killed. New York: Oxford Academic. doi:10.1093/oso/9780197529867.003.0005. The big landlords of Bihar derailed land reform via delaying tactics and by refusing to comply with paperwork. They refused to submit documents for their estates despite government orders and filed thousands of court cases halting the landholding ceiling and redistribution of over 9,000 acres of land across the state of Bihar. Since administrators and politicians came mostly from the same landed gentry upper castes as the landlords, the landlords exploited their kinship ties to have government field surveys halted, amended, and ultimately aborted.

Hopefully the article you create shouldn't be repetitive additions from many other articles. Akalanka820 (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Geography

literacy rate of Bihar in 2010 was 87.2% 2409:408B:E4B:C723:0:0:BF8B:2D00 (talk) 13:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing the source

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Can someone fix the red link showing in source no. 17 ? Adamantine123 (talk) 02:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Rumela, Sen (2021). 'Rebel Retirement in the North through Discordant Exit Networks', Farewell to Arms: How Rebels Retire Without Getting Killed. New York: Oxford Academic. doi:10.1093/oso/9780197529867.003.0005. The big landlords of Bihar derailed land reform via delaying tactics and by refusing to comply with paperwork. They refused to submit documents for their estates despite government orders and filed thousands of court cases halting the landholding ceiling and redistribution of over 9,000 acres of land across the state of Bihar. Since administrators and politicians came mostly from the same landed gentry upper castes as the landlords, the landlords exploited their kinship ties to have government field surveys halted, amended, and ultimately aborted.

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