Talk:2010 Donegal South-West by-election

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Sinn Féin 1925 v. Sinn Féin 2010[edit]

I removed the following: "It was the first time that a by-election to Dáil Éireann had been won by a Sinn Féin candidate since Samuel Holt was elected in March 1925 for Leitrim–Sligo (Dáil Éireann constituency)" due to its dubiousness. My reasons are that the 2010 Sinn Féin only has a name in common with 1925 Sinn Féin. The 1925 Sinn Féin was led by Eamon de Valera, who founded Fianna Fail in 1926 and took most of the Sinn Féin member with him. The SF rump continued until another split in 1969/70 when a group left and were known as Provisional Sinn Féin; those who remained in the party were Official Sinn Féin later becoming the Sinn Féin the workers party, then the Workers Party. Provisional Sinn Féin become simply Provisional Sinn Féin. The Sinn Féin article infobox (arrived at after a lengthy discussion) states that the original party was founded in 1905 and the current in 1970. To say that its the first time since 1925 that SF won a by-election implies its the same party that has been in existence since, when in fact the history of SF is one of complicated splits and name changes. Snappy (talk) 18:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did consider that point, and I am aware that there are plenty of difft views on the degree of continuity or otherwise between a 1925 Sinn Fein candidate and a 2010 one. I don't want to take a view either way on that continuity issue, but I thought that the point was nonetheless worth making in the sense that each by-eln was won by "a candidate from the party which at that time called itself SF".

My phrasing didn't make that subtlety very clear. Do you think that it might be possible to draw the connection to 1925 with some form of words which more explicitly avoid taking a stance on the continuity question?

For example, "It was the first time that a by-election to Dáil Éireann had been won by a candidate described as Sinn Féin since Samuel Holt was elected in March 1925 for Leitrim–Sligo". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that form of wording would be acceptable, though someone could still think they were the same party. Since there doesn't seem to be any neat way of pointing this out to a reader (via footnote/ref), I can live with it. Snappy (talk) 20:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Calling of a by-election[edit]

"The government through a vote in the parliament decides when by-elections are called." Is that a vote in the Dáil only, or one in the Seanad too? I suspect that the sentence might easily be made more precise! Harfarhs (talk) 21:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]