Talk:Dried vine fruit

UK consumption

There was an unsourced claim that the UK consumed 1/3 of all DVF in the world. This is patently ridiculous, but as a major consumer with little indigenous viticulture, I can imagine that the UK could consume 1/3 of all DVF traded internationally. Any sources? FlagSteward 12:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Mergers of particular types of dried vine fruits

• Support. Originally I thought this looked like a stubby definition that should be merged into the main Grape article. Having looked at most of the relevant articles, I've come to the conclusion that words in this area can mean so many different things to different people, that a more WP:CSB approach is needed, and that most of the dried grapes should end up merged in here. Possibly the only exception might be raisin - but in some ways that's the most ambiguous, perhaps that article should be split between here and California raisin. DVF may seem an awkward term to use (however like fixed-wing aircraft, it's neutral) but it is at least widely used in government circles, a quick Google turns up uses by the EU, UK and Australian governments. I understand that this may not seem natural to many North American Wikipedians, but I would urge you to recognise that familiar words like 'raisin' may be used in very different ways by other people, particularly in the UK in this area, and WP:CSB should be a prime consideration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlagSteward (talk • contribs) 12:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose Instead, merge all into raisin. The term Dried Vine Fruit seems particularly regional to the UK and in danger of picking up a WP:CSB for localism. Every distinct article mentioned, sultana, Zante currant says the fruit or the raisin made from it. Even in this article: "The need for this term came from the fact that the United Kingdom is the only country in the European Union which differentiates dried vine fruit into different types. On mainland Europe, they are all simply called raisins... It seems more like a governmental/agricultural distinction. Also, a quick Goolge search shows the term "raisin" 8 times more common than "dried vine fruit". It is better to have the overall article be raisin, subdivide the article into types, then explain why the UK uses a unique term.--Knulclunk (talk) 14:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose Dried vine fruit seems to be a technical term used by people in the industry and to a lesser extent, governments. (source: Google for DVF finds that all of the items on the first page excluding this Wikipedia article are industry web sites at the top and government sites towards the bottom of the first page of search results.) The Wikipedia is a consumer oriented reference and the common consumer term, even in the UK, for DVF seems to be "raisin". Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 00:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose - raisin seems to be the logical place for the main article. Dried vine fruit can either redirect to raisin or stay on its own as an explanation. Tomas e (talk) 16:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Overall comment

I don't like littering an article with {{Fact|date=...}} tags but this article needs serious work for an area that I'm not familiar with.

1. Can a source be cited for "The need for this term came from the fact that the United Kingdom..."? DVF seems to be an industry/government term and is not specific to the UK. This search finds that the DVF term only appears 42 times on UK web sites, 1,350 times for Australia, and 12 times on U.S. .gov sites. The implication is that DVF is primarily an Australian term and that the UK and EU have little to do with it.
2. "On mainland Europe, they are all simply called raisins..." Can this be cited? It's my understanding that English is not the primary language on the mainland and you'd be better off asking for rosine, uva passa, etc. It's also my understanding that "raisin" is also common in the UK - for example, this definition, http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?raisin, says "A grape dried in the sun or by artificial heat" which looks pretty general to me.
3. "Golden raisins are a Californian attempt to replicate the sultana industrially." Can this be cited, particularly as the sentence is rather biased? There's nothing on the Sultana (grape) about this nor that sultana raisins (or DVF) are difficult to manufacture on an industrial scale nor anything about the Golden raisins. Also, can a citation be provided that shows that "Golden raisins" are formally listed as a DVF? "Golden raisin" seems like a consumer marketing term and not an established DVF.
4. "A particular variety of seedless grape, the Black Corinth, is also sun dried to produce Zante currants..." A citation is needed for the "Black Corinth" part as Zante currant only mentions Corinth and not that the Black Corinth is needed.
5. "Several varieties of raisins are produced in Asia and are only available at ethnic grocers" This looks like it belongs in the raisin article and not DVF. Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 01:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I too believe that the above statement is patently ridiculous. I am a small grape grower in the south of uzbekistan and have been selling DVF's for many years. Never once has an englishman bought a grape from me. The end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.86.146.68 (talk) 03:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Zante currants.jpg

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After wondering what this was all about I learned that a non-free image needs a separate rationale for every single Wikipedia article that uses it. As the article already has an image of Zante currants and raisins I removed the image of the Zante currants package from this article. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Health concerns

I have deleted the following from the article as it's unsourced though it may be of interest to some people.

While dried vine fruits have been marketed as a health food, they are one of the foods most commonly contaminated with the mycotoxin Ochratoxin A.

--Marc Kupper|talk 07:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)