Talk:Dua Lipa discography

Canada

I feel like Canada should replace Belgium (Flanders) due to Canada having a higher population. DatBoy101 (talk) 00:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

New Love

Where did "New Love" go? DatBoy101 (talk) 18:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Never mind DatBoy101 (talk) 18:13, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Countries

I feel like Canada should replace Belgium (Flanders) due to Canada having a higher population. DatBoy101 (talk) 02:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Despite being a proposal and not a guideline or policy, WP:DISCOGSTYLE suggests "There is no set inclusion criteria for which charts should and shouldn't be included, but a good rule of thumb is to go by the relative success of the artist on that chart." Many pop music editors use this as a rule of thumb. Lipa is more successful in Belgium than Canada and North America as a whole. Higher population isn't really a criterion for inclusion in most cases. For instance, some British acts that only scored one US Hot 100 entry sometimes don't include that as a column on discographies at all due to relative success. Ss112 03:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

That link is dormant. Maybe we should update and have a debate then put that as an official rule. I feel like there might many debates about this in the future. DatBoy101 (talk) 07:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm well aware the link is dormant; I said "despite being a proposal". It's still at proposal status as it was never discussed and then accepted as a guideline. Ss112

Spotify Session

Hi, I think we should discuss the inclusion of "Spotify Session" on this wiki page. The reasoning being is that it's questionable if its a true release by the artist. These works are the result of an interview session with Spotify and are the equivalent to the artist appearing on a talk show and performing, and then uploading it to their YouTube channel - which is not considered a new release by that artist. It has no presence outside of the one platform, they are not promoted by the artists either. Also just to keep things consistent, few to no artists list these works on their discography pages, such as Sia, Tove Lo, Kylie Minogue, Jason Derulo, Meghan Trainor, The 1975 and All Time Low to list just a very few amount of the total amount of these works. @Ss112 Mikgregor (talk) 18:16, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Homesick as a local single

Homesick was released as a single, but only in the Netherlands and Belgium. Shouldn't it be listed under singles instead of 'other charted songs' in this case?

Since it doesn't look like people are discussing here before editing, I have another 2 citable sources. The first is a playlist made by the record label releasing Dua Lipa's music in the Benelux, which includes Homesick. The second is a write-up of best songs released in November from a notable Belgian webblog, which includes Homesick, calls it "the latest single" as well. The Netherlands and Belgium do not a clear, transparant, citable source with radio impact dates, so these are the most supportive webpages supporting it as a single. The singles table includes the notice "—" denotes a recording that did not chart or was not released in that territory, at the bottom for a reason. Joanne (song) by Lady Gaga is treated the same way, only being released in Italy. Milliondoses (talk) 15:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

We don't even have a radio adds/digital download release date, and we anyone can call a charting song a 'single' because of the loose usage of this term. ׺°”˜`”°º×ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 19:13, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

There is no clear radio adds date, but multiple sources and data point to all big stations suddenly playing it, and since it was on the album and we in the streaming age, a digital download release date isn't there. For example, F.F.F. is a single on Bebe Rexha's discography page, just based on publications calling it one without a clear (radio) release date. Homesick is very much a single in the streaming age, being advertised by the label onto streaming playlist, and promoting it to radio. Various sources, including the label via Spotify, in the Netherlands are claiming it's one. A single on Wikipedia isn't necessarily defined by radio add dates, and all signs point to Homesick being released as a single in the Netherlands and Belgium. Milliondoses (talk) 20:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Agree. There's no other reason "Homesick", otherwise an album track, would suddenly enter the Belgian and Dutch charts without some kind of push as a single. (It's not unheard of, it's just very unlikely without some kind of other factor.) I also agree that radio is not and should not be a determining factor in whether something is a single or not in our very digital age. Why so many editors on Wikipedia seem to still be stuck in an '80s mode of thinking where "no airplay = no single" escapes me. I get it may be to separate what is a full commercial single, promotional single, or simply a song charting, but I would think editors would be aware the definition of a single is changing and no longer requires radio airplay to make it one. (To preempt anybody bringing it up, WP:SINGLE? is a guideline to determine what is a single, it is not a policy and we do not have to abide it.) Besides, we now have at least two news sources calling "Homesick" a single. That's enough for me. Ss112 21:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

That doesn't mean absolutely anything. See Dark Horse by Katy Perry, which got unsolicited airplay to the point that her label released it as a single. In the streaming era songs no longer need radio push in order to be successful--sometimes, random tracks get added to Spotify playlists and/or generate random interest in the general public. If there's no radio adds date, then it's not a single. ׺°”˜`”°º×ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 21:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it absolutely does mean something, because as has been pointed out: Milliondoses provided at least two sources calling it a single. I feel you've also contradicted yourself, by pointing out how songs can be made singles by labels because they become successful through other means, including being included on Spotify playlists. I mean, by even stating "the streaming era" you're acknowledging we're already leaving the era of radio play dominance. Regardless, I've just pointed out that by no requirement on Wikipedia do songs need radio airplay to be a single, so "if there's no radio add date, then it's not a single" is your opinion—which, yes, happens to be an opinion shared by quite a number of other editors, but is by no means the be-all and end-all. Ss112 05:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

The evidence of it being a full-fledged single is still very weak, but you do you. ׺°”˜`”°º×ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 11:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

References

Dutch Chart Positions

This article weirdly uses the (sales/streaming only) Single Top 100 Chart instead of the usual all-round Top 40 Chart, which is also used by the Dutch populace: https://www.top40.nl/top40-artiesten/dua-lipa. BoomBoomBeem (talk) 14:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

"Also used by the Dutch populace"? Citation needed. I see no clear preference between the two. The Single Top 100 has been around nearly just as long. Some charts in the world are based off sales and streaming data and no airplay. There's nothing particularly wrong with that. Ss112 16:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Aren't sales and streaming the factors that define the actual popularity of a song in a market? Like, it's beyond me that you guys use the digital downloads-only chart for France (probably because it grants higher peaks for international artists?) when 90% of their market now is streaming and thus the SPS chart should be used. Also, the fact that we use the top 100 for the albums makes me think the singles top 100 is more than valid. ׺°”˜`”°º×ηυηzια׺°”˜`”°º× 22:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure, news articles usually mention top 40 positions when talking about music news: https://www.ad.nl/show/borsato-flopt-voor-het-eerst-in-26-jaar-in-top-40~a214096c/, https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/rtlboulevard/shape-of-you-domineerde-top-40-dit-jaar, https://www.nporadio1.nl/homepage/7527-deze-dag-toen-top-40-gaat-voor-het-eerst-de-lucht-in. These are just articles from past week found by Google News. Searching for Single top 100 won't yield the same results. The Top 40 additionally takes airplay and social media into account and thus is more complete than the single top 100. BoomBoomBeem (talk) 00:26, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry BoomBoomBeem, but "more complete" seems to be your personal preference. Wikipedia has not decided by consensus to prefer the Dutch Top 40 over the Single Top 100 or that one is more "official" or "complete"—we use both. Ss112 00:49, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2018

Dua Lipa album has been certified Gold in Australia by ARIA - http://www.aria.com.au/pages/AlbumAccreds2018.htm 114.77.53.199 (talk) 09:11, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 21:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Dua Lipa: Complete Edition

The songs "No Lie", "Scared to Be Lonely", "One Kiss" and "Electricity" are included on Dua Lipa: Complete Edition despite not promoting the album. The songs should not list "TBA" or "non-album single" when they are included on this album. Discography pages don't list the album that the songs promote, they list any album the song is included on. See "Bitches Broken Hearts", "Lovely" and "Come Out and Play" on Billie Eilish discography or "Monopoly" on Ariana Grande discography. Those songs don't promote the albums listed but they don't say "non-album single". I don't know why people don't want the same to be done here. In conclusion, I believe Dua Lipa: Complete Edition should be added as the album for the songs "No Lie", "Scared to Be Lonely", "One Kiss" and "Electricity". Billiekhalidfan (talk) 03:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

What has been done on some discographies is not necessarily what is best or what should be done on others. Some of those may have been achieved through local consensus, which does not apply here. Ss112 03:26, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Copyedit

@LOVI33: Just one thing, when you say "As of February 2021 the record has sold 6 million worldwide," it'd be nice if you specified whether you're referring to Dua Lipa: Complete Edition or One Kiss. So just "the album" or "the single" instead of "the record".

Worked on the lead section and a few of the notes. I split up the lead into four paragraphs where I thought made logical sense; I feel it helps the text flow better, since there are a lot of song and people names. A worthy FLC candidate! :) Let me know if my job was satisfactory. Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 08:13, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Ovinus! It looks amazing you did a more then satisfactory job. I will also make sure to reword that. Thanks! LOVI33 18:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Great! One last thing, looking at other "discographies" like Taylor Swift albums discography, it seems like the first paragraph is a summary, and then the chronological narrative begins at the second paragraph. So that might require a little reorganization, but I think that will be easy at FLC. Ovinus (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Real Groove

"Real Groove (Studio 2054 Remix)" should classify as a promotional single. The criterion at WP:SINGLE? are generally established norms which aren't always the most accurate (see the lead). Even so, "Real Groove" satisfies two out of four of the criterion, including the last which can be "nuanced". The Official Charts Company did refer to it as a single, but I've noticed they have often referred to promo singles as singles when referring to their charting. For example, Little Mix's recent promo singles from their album Confetti ([1]). Highly reputable source Billboard referred to it as a remixed version of the original, leading me to think that it should satisfy criterion 3 under promotional singles of WP:SINGLE?: "If a song is released in the form of dance remixes independent of an album, it is usually considered a promotional single". Considering the remix was released very soon following the original's release and it received limited promotion, I would say it is pretty obvious this is the case; seems to me it was released to promote the original version's single release, like what Lipa does with many of her singles. With all these cases, I would say that "Real Groove (Studio 2054 Remix)" is an appropriate promotional single. LOVI33 01:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Disagree. I understand that WP:SINGLE? is not policy, but in the absence of any, it's a good place to start.

The criteria aren't a checklist of four items that must all be true for a song to be considered a commercial single. Crucially, it says any of the four factors suggest that a song is a single. In my reading, it satisfies three of them. The song was not used to promote Kylie's Disco and had a separate release from Real Goove's original version. It received more attention than the original version. But let's go one-by-one.

1. The song was referred to as a single by the record label releasing it. I found nothing one way or the other.
2. The song was serviced to radio stations with an official add date (e.g., cited from All Access for the United States; EarOne for Italy). Yes.
3. The song was referred to as a single by an authoritative, music-oriented media outlet (e.g., Billboard, Official Charts Company). Yes. By Official Charts Company (as noted originally but also here and here. Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube Music also list the song as a single (and separate from anything like an album or remix LP).
4. The song was released commercially independent of an album (this can be nuanced; see differentiating singles vs. promotional singles below). Yes, it received commercial releases separate from any album.

Now to whether a song is promotional (which the following can be used to help differentiate...)

1. A record label may explicitly refer to a song as a promotional single or distinguish it from a regular single. Not to my knowledge.
2. A song may be referred to as a promotional single by an authoritative, music-oriented media outlet. :Not to my knowledge.
3. If a song is released in the form of dance remixes independent of an album, it is usually considered a promotional single (e.g., "Consideration"). Interesting, but I would argue this isn't the case. One version isn't more 'dance' than the other and the example given ("Consideration") was a release of a song from an album but only in remixed forms. Also, the charts are measuring the original Real Groove version as separate from the Dua Lipa remix. That's an important distinction.
4. A promotional single may not be released commercially (e.g., distributed for free as a digital download; a CD with "promo only" on the cover). No free release to my knowledge.
5. A promotional single may only receive a limited release (e.g., for streaming or digital download only; no physical release or radio add date).The song received a physical release, was sent to radio, and was added to streaming services.
6. A promotional single may be distributed in a unique way (e.g., "Superstar"). Nothing unique I could uncover.
7. A promotional single may use the same cover art as the album it is featured on. Hard no. The single received its own cover treatment.
8. A promotional single may not receive the same amount of attention from an artist as a regular single. One could argue that the single received more attention than the original. Even at the time of my writing, Kylie's Twitter bio reads, "REAL GROOVE - Studio2054 Remix w Dua Lipa 💖 Check it out!!!"

This was more than a remix for promotional use. Dua's own team reworked the song. As noted in WP:SINGLE?, "promotional singles are the exception and uncommon," and I agree and don't see that the Studio 2054 Remix is an exception.

I'd also like to mention that Levitating (The Blessed Madonna Remix) is listed as a regular single for Dua Lipa (separate from Levitating's entry) and is listed as a regular single on Madonna's discography. What are your thoughts on this? Shoestringnomad (talk) 03:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• It's a single per the OCC article. OCC is (like Billboard) one of the most reliable music sources. They provide the official charts for the UK and US (respectively), and they also provide other official charts. Now, the OCC article about "Not a Pop Song" does use the term single once, but it generally refers to the promo single as a release (which could be as an official single or as a promo single), a taster (which could be used for any type of release, independent or not), and a track (which could, once again, be used for any type of release). Besides, it would be pointless to try to say it's the third official Confetti single, as there are plenty of reliable sources (which I am almost certain include both OCC and Billboard) that call "Sweet Melody" and "Confetti" the third and fourth singles off of Confetti, respectively. But, for this case, no one has provided any evidence that the song is not a single (like I just did above with "Not a Pop Song"), so I would go ahead and trust the OCC article. Someone also argued above that the remix was sent to radio as an official single, but I will have to check that out for myself. Update: The remix was released to Russian radio (Pop, Dance, and 80s formats) on 15 January 2021 (source), so I am confident that the radio release alongside OCC calling it a single is enough for it to be a single. But, I could be totally wrong, so please {{ping}} me if anything I said needs debunking. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 02:52, 21 May 2021 (UTC) (updated 02:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC))

Pitchfork also announced the release.

Futher supporting the release as an official single rather than just promotion, both Kylie's and Dua Lipa's official YouTube channels released a video of the song on the same day. What does Dua Lipa gain from promoting Kylie's single on her channel?

Also, here's the release being played on BBC's Radio 1 on 2 May 2021. Shoestringnomad (talk) 03:21, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Update: A few more observations... Kylie's Twitter bio was pushing the Dua Lipa single after releasing promotional single "Dance Floor Darling". "Say So (Remix)" is listed as a Nicki Minaj single. "Despacito (Remix)" is listed as a Justin Bieber single.

Another editor added the song to Dua Lipa's single chronology, separately from my edits, so I'm going to switch them back for now. If you think we're missing something, please let us know and we can discuss here. Shoestringnomad (talk) 03:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

References