Talk:Electromagnetic hypersensitivity

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Better Call Saul[edit]

There have been various good-faith attempts to insert material about the character Charles McGill on the AMC series Better Call Saul, most of them unsourced and written by new users. I recently watched the entire series, and indeed that character has such symptoms (he ripped out the wiring oot in his house and has great difficulty going outside, he sewed a space blanket inside his business suit, he passed out and was hospitalized when he was in a place with fluorescent lights, at the hospital he insisted that they unplug his motorized bed and turn off the lights). When in the hospital bed he claimed that the electric fields from it were causing him great pain, but when the doctor turned it back on without telling him he showed no discomfort.

This is a highly watched show and he is a major character. Can we find some sources and manage to include this in the article? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

That would almost certainly have to be sourced to the show itself. I don't see any problem with that, however. It's primary, but since it's just going to be one or two sentences, and it's readily verifiable fictional plot information, there's no need for a secondary source. I'd still put an in-line cite to the show, just to CYA. I've never watched it (I was never much of a Breaking Bad fan), so I can't really help with writing it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:37, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
If you didn't like Breaking Bad you won't like Better Call Saul.
As for sources, how about these?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/2015/feb/15/better-call-saul-electromagnetic-hypersensitivity-real-health-risk
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/emmys/la-et-st-michael-mckean-better-call-saul-emmys-chat-20150510-story.html
https://blogs.chapman.edu/dodge/2017/04/04/upcoming-documentary-explores-electromagnetic-hypersensitivity/
http://www.tvguide.com/news/mega-buzz-better-call-saul-chuck-illness/
And of course our own article on Better Call Saul says "...Charles L. "Chuck" McGill, Jr., Jimmy's elder brother and a named partner at HHM who is confined to his home by electromagnetic hypersensitivity (season 1–3)." --Guy Macon (talk) 18:58, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
--Guy Macon (talk) 18:58, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, as I said, I'm fine with a primary source. But since you've got secondary sources, I'm certainly not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. :D ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately, none of those sources document the nocebo effect you described. I wonder if there is a site that carries summaries of episodes which is an RS... But if we want to point out that Chuck doesn't experience symptoms when he doesn't know he's exposed to EM fields, we would need either a source that says that, or we rely on the episode. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I couldn't find a secondary source for that (for those searching, it is in episode 5, (Episode name "Alpine Shepherd Boy"), timestamp 26:00). I found a couple of pseudoscience sites ( https://norad4u.blogspot.com/2015/04/how-come-chuck-mcgill-could-not-scense.html https://www.facebook.com/SafeCellPhones/posts/832658816784102 ) attempting to explain it away, which makes no sense at all. Why not just say "this is a work of fiction"? Also, our Alpine Shepherd Boy article says "Kim takes a call from Hamlin saying that Chuck is in the hospital. There, Jimmy and Kim explain Chuck's condition to a skeptical doctor who proves that Chuck's electromagnetic hypersensitivity may not be genuine by flipping a switch under the hospital bed. She recommends Chuck be committed to a mental institution, but Jimmy initially decides to take him home", but that's not a reliable source either. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:07, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
No, our article isn't a reliable source, but I'm still minded that we're discussing events in a fictional universe. There is, quite literally, no more definitive source for that than a primary source. A primary source can't possibly be wrong, or give unwarranted weight to certain aspects, or put a spin on it or be biased in any way, even in theory. I think copying the text from our article (with, perhaps a linked mention of the episode name) and altering it to stand alone would be fine. I'd still cite the show, though, because this isn't the plot section of an article about it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 04:40, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes. I agree with that solution. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:43, 27 July 2017 (UTC)