Talk:Elite Ice Hockey League

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August 12, 2006 Peer review Reviewed
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Number of Teams[edit]

The league table on the official site seems to show that only 8 teams are competing in 2005-06. What happened to the other 2? Calsicol 13:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

The Manchester Phoenix are not currently able to ice a team because they have no rink to play out of. They originally played at the MEN Arena but they were unable to afford the costs so withdrew their team from competition while a new building was constructed. This new building recently recieved planning permission so they should be back playing for the 2006-07 season.
The London Racers started this season but were forced to pull out because of concerns over the safety of their rink. The Racers management are hoping to be able to construct a more suitable rink of their own and should hopefully be able to return in a year or two.
Kim Williams 11:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

I see that the contents of this page were copied to Elite Ice Hockey League without doing a proper move by an anonymous user. Since this was not discussed, didn't follow proper move procedure (which lost the edit history) and it is not clear to me that the article should really be under that name, I will revert the edits. If anyone thinks that the article really should not include the word "British", please discuss here. I'll even offer to do the move myself maintaining edit history integrity if consensus is to move it to that page. -- JamesTeterenko 23:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

It was me who moved the article. Apoligies as I wasn't aware that there was another procedure for doing it. The reason I moved it was because 'British' is not in the official title of the league. It is the "Elite Ice Hockey League". Other sporting leagues on this site do not include the country they're from in their title, the National Football League isn't the 'American National Football League', the National Rugby League isn't the 'Australian National Rugby League' and the National Provincial Championship isn't the 'New Zealand National Provisional Championship' for example. Perhaps more relevently, the Elitserien isn't the Swedish Elitserien (though 'Swedish Elite League' is a redirect to that page). --82.31.59.203 11:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

You have a good point. Note that the policy on naming doesn't necessary enforce official titles, but rather the most common title used. In a nutshell, the policy states, "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature." So, the argument should be what is most common, not necessarily what is official. As a Canadian, I would normally hear about it and refer to it with "British" in the title. However, I don't really have a problem with it not having British in the title. I would suspect that the official title would be the most common title in Britain. So, if no one objects to the move in the next few days, I'll move the article to "Elite Ice Hockey League". By the way, you may wish to sign up for a user ID here. One of the features that you get with it is the ability to move an article to a new title. -- JamesTeterenko 19:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I have made the move. -- JamesTeterenko 06:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

External Links / See Also[edit]

So we need the external link to the club sites? These are all on the individual club pages, surely we'd be better off referring people to those first. Would a "See Also" section be useful for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.158.205 (talkcontribs)

I agree that the team web sites should only be an external links on the actual team article. -- JamesTeterenko 02:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

References[edit]

I have added citations in most necessary places in the article, but have so far been unable to find refs for the following:

  • Season ticket requirements as a factor in Knockout Cup creation
  • Nottingham Panthers' future being under threat in 2003
  • IIHF intervention in the affiliation row
  • Dundee applying to join the Elite League
  • Crossover Cup resulting from IIHF report
  • Reasons for BNL teams declining invitation to join Elite League

In most cases, I'm fairly sure the information is correct, but something more substantial than forum postings would help with verification. Oldelpaso 15:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been looking for online references to the above. The future of the Nottingham Panthers was major news in Nottingham during the summer of 2003 and I'm fairly certain I've recalled what was reported rightly. Unfortunatly it seems as though the local newspaper doesn't keep archives of news extending that far back. There is a brief summary of the story on the Panthers History website where it says "It was then reported that the NIC were threatening to oust the Panthers and replace them with a new team entered in the BNL." though I'm not sure that's enough. IcyPantherGuy 13:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the remaining unreferenced statements for now, they can always be put back in if a reference is found. Oldelpaso 17:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Playoffs[edit]

I remember hearing that playoff groups have been dropped for the forthcoming season & it'll be a straight knock-out system instead, has anyone heard the same? Are there any links that suggest this? CharlieT 14:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I have amended the overview section to reflect this and added the source to the article on the Elite League's website.--JD554 07:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

GA Passed[edit]

This article has passed the GA noms, if you disagree with this result feel free to take it to WP:GA/R. The following are suggestions for further improvement:

  • Include comparisons between the EIHL and other professional hockey leagues such as the NHL.
  • Include a section about how the league has been criticized.

Thanks, and I hope to see this article become FA-class. Tarret 14:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Nottingham's foundation year[edit]

There seems to be a bit of disagreement over the somewhat ambiguous question of Nottingham's foundation year so rather than continual revision of each other's edits I thought it would be best if we sought some consensus. The dispute here is whether or not the year of the original Nottingham Panthers' foundation should be used on this article or the year that the modern Nottingham Panthers began play. There is also a third, lesser known option of 1939. To give a bit of background to those unfamiliar with it, the Panthers were founded in 1946 and played for fourteen seasons before being closed down in 1960. The team reformed twenty years later and has been playing ever since. There were also three games played by a team calling itself the Nottingham Panthers during the winter of 1939-40 though these were teams made up of Canadian airmen and simply friendly games.

I have always given 1946 as our foundation year and 1980 as the year of our 'reformation' and divided our history into the 'original' and 'modern' era. I have done this for several reasons.

  • The club count the history, honours and records of the 1946-1960 Panthers as their own. The banner we had at the stage end of the NIC last season included the honours won by the original Panthers alongside those of the modern Panthers. Our 60th anniversary was also marked during 2006-07.
  • On a similar note, websites such as panthershistory.co.uk and books like the Nottingham Panthers Statistical Guidebook and the Nottingham Panthers Factual Scrapbook do not differentiate between original and modern.
  • All of the Panthers supporters I know say 1946 as our foundation year. This includes people who supported the team through the original era.
  • It is something of the league joke and we are the subject of much ridicule over the fact that 'WE' haven't won the league since 1955-56. :-(

These are just my personal opinions on the matter and I'm happy to go along with the majority. PanthersGirl 16:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with PanthersGirl for all the reasons she's given (much as it galls me to being a Steelers fan!). Ice Hockey Journalists UK also say in their history section that "Nottingham Panthers returned" rather than a new team formed with the same name. -- JD554 09:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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